It’s been a while since we’ve done a personal project car roundup and we’ve added more than a hundred new members since then, so this seems like as good a time as ever to get an update on our existing project cars from old members (old, in our case, is 10 months) and hear about what new members (i.e., people who signed up since mid-August) are currently working their way through.
Please tell us a little bit about your car, why/when you got it, what the current status is of that project car, and what your long-term plans for it are. This is also a good place to share your “stucks” and perhaps we can give you some advice or encouragement so you can try to overcome them.
Obviously, just because you love cars and love this website does not mean that you’ve got a project car (or any car at all). That’s ok, too. Dream a little with us and tell us what you’d love to do in your ideal world.
My project car is my E39 BMW 530i 5-speed and my goal is to start on my project and bring it up to a nice driveable spec. The problem? It runs so well I do not currently have to do much to it other than top it off with oil from time to time. I’m quite busy with the site but I just need to put a date in the calendar to work on it.
Stuffing a Jag XKR engine into a TR7 (they say it can’t be done. We shall see.) Finding an Amphicar for less than $20,000 that still floats (After all, got to do something with that TR7 engine). Currently working on getting a 30′ X 80′ garage built on new land I just purchased and living in the RV I just bought. Traveling the country to visit other peoples big garages in my RV towing the Durango Hellcat I can’t get enough of. Hell, I’m only 75. Got plenty of time.
Current projects, that’s a bit of a list so here goes.
’74 Buick Apollo, torn dooown to start rust repair in the floors and fully restore it to teach my son to drive in it. I still have a couple years so I hope I can get it done.
’03 r53 MINI Cooper S, currently torn apart after an angry parolee put something in the oil and wiped out the oil cooler which caused a major overheating issue. I’m taking the opportunity to hop it up a good bit, it should end up about 210-220 horsepower when it’s done.
’90 Ford f350 4 door, long bed, 4×4, 460 big block. I’m dailying it right now but once the MINI is back on the road I’ll start work on it, mostly just some cosmetics as it was a desert truck with only 96k on it when I bought it(128k now), and I’m only the second owner.
Last but not least, I’m currently helping my dad build his dream car. It’s a Factory 5 type 65 gen 3 coupe. We put a coyote and an automatic in it for him because his MS won’t let him run a clutch pedal anymore. We’re in final assembly right now so hopefully by christmas he’ll be ready for screaming around, provided there’s not too much gunk on the roads at that point.
Since this is a safe space, I’d love to make my Berlingo factory fresh. It’s silver right now so maaybe I’d get it resprayed that really sweet deep blue they do. Get the uplholstery sorted. Get the boot liner re-done since it’s crumbling away. etc etc
The problem with French cars is that they fight you in this regard, especially for cosmetic stuff. The more you try to replace and fix stuff up, the more plastic stuff cracks and breaks off.
No current projects, but I’m probably a couple of years out from buying a new daily driver so I can Up/down/side-grade my 2019 Miata to a project car and start playing around with some more serious mods, probably starting with forced induction.
I guess I have the should-be-a-project of reviving my 1998 Harley Sportster but that’s going to involve replacing basically everything rubber on it (tires, belts, hoses) and probably de-varnishing the inside of the carb from the old gas in it and I’m not feeling particularly motivated on that.
My ongoing large project is my 1970 buick skylark, 8” of lift, 30” tires, 4.3L vortec V6 and nv3500 5 speed. I got the major work done in September and have been driving it semi daily since working out bugs and figuring out what upgrades it needs to be a more comfortable road tripping vehicle. The new list includes things like changing the rear gears, adding a better exhaust, installing radio, better wiper motor, adding winch mounts and skidplates, light bar ,etc. Amazingly even with 5th gear being practically useless due to 2.56 gears and bigger tires this rolling masterpiece still gets 20 mpg..
Holy crap, YES.
Its been a 2 year slog replacing all the wiring, welding up so much rust, engine swap, transmission swap, all new suspension, brakes, brake lines. But it definitely turns heads and is fun to drive – although a bit sketchy without a rear sway bar but i am working on that!
A couple photos below if interested.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/1UYsDHoNy1NBeJoM8
That is a *delight.*
Nice. You could always slap a small turbo on her for shits ‘n’ giggles and you’ll be perpetuating two gm performance vehicles, turbo buick, and syclone.
Originally the 4.3 was just a placeholder during the rebuild of the Buick 350.. but it is growing on me. I have been watching Tony Angelos Sike Clone build with strong interest. Definitely plenty of room in the engine bay for a turbo.
Having rebuilt a Buick 350 myself for my Apollo I get the placeholder idea, mine was supposed to be a chevy 327 small journal but after I bought the chevy motor I learned that it has a different tranny bolt pattern so couldn’t hook up to my th375. It put the Apollo out of commission for an extra year.
Yep, same situation i was in. I could have put a different engine in but nothing would bolt up, so i stole the complete power train out of another project car to get it going this year.
I do really like the 350 buick, unfortunately mine had an incredibly messed up 2bbl carb on it, which i eventually replaced with a Weber carburetor which was phenomenal. Then the 20 years of aluminum corrosion got heated up and spread through the engine block, plugging all the coolant passages. Gotta pull it all apart, get it hot tanked and check everything.
My current project is the tan I’m getting sitting on the beach in Florida on my first vacation in 16 years alone with the wife. It is absolutely perfect here right now.
I have a few going on at all times. Currently:
99 Miata – the everlasting(by choice) project. Started as a $500 purchase from a repo company after it spun a bearing. I had limited mechanical experience but with a friend I pulled the engine, slapped the head onto a low miles 94 block, and sent it. That was 40k miles ago. I also retrofitted a Mazdaspeed OEM turbo set up onto it. It has been wrecked 7 times in my ownership with only one being me partially at fault(a Jeep and I changed lanes at the same time and their tire touched my fender, we called it fair) and the last officially totaling it, but I still drive it with a salvage title. In total I have been paid out ~12k in insurance payments. I have been testing all kinds of combinations of parts. It just got its’ fourth diff and second transmission installed by choice and has been through 4 soft tops and is on its second hard top. I have a shortblock built for it with a .040 bore, Eagle h beam rods, JE 9.0:1 pistons, ARP main studs, and a ported/polished Mazdaspeed cylinder head decked .040 waiting to go in once I gather the rest of the parts(fuel system, Kraken turbo kit, etc). This is on a ~3-5 year plan.
2004 Mazdaspeed Miata – This was my daily until 2 months ago when one of my connecting rods decided it preferred being disconnected and clean snapped at the crank. It is currently receiving a new differential with a more daily friendly gear ratio, and I am converting it to a return style fuel system with a flex sensor so I can utilize E85. I am very near the stage of starting the engine build as well with forged internals and a BNR stock location turbo going in.
2004 Mach 1 – Currently there is very little going on with this car. I intend on replacing the battery terminals due to them being in not ideal shape but otherwise have little planned besides an intermittent ABS light that I believe is a sensor going bad. Ideally this car will eventually get a basic forged rotating assembly built as well so I can put a smaller pulley on the supercharger and not be scared of blowing it up every time I get on it. This car has been IRS swapped and has a full tubular front k-member and arms with coilovers and had Brembos when I bought it so I would like to test it out on VIR eventually.
2000 S10 – Parts hauler and occasional daily. Only current plan is replacing the flex section in the exhaust since it has developed a small leak and replacing some worn components in the front suspension. If the stock drivetrain ever catastrophically fails I will likely look into a budget 5.3L swap though.
Current Project: Completing the build of my Sprinter camper van. Its a 2019 4×4, and we’re building it as an off-grid, self sufficient long distance go almost anywhere camper. This is the 2nd van we’ve built.
Next Project: Converting my 1980 BMW 320i (e21) to electric. The car needs some body work, a little exterior rust repair and I want to convert it by reusing the original rear-end subframe and ditch the entire existing driveline. That will give me the entire engine compartment for batteries, and the transmission tunnel and original fuel tank locations. I’m expecting similar weight as original, but a 50/50 weigh distribution, which should make the car handle a lot better than stock.
You’re probably going to need to tune the spring rates of the suspension to accommodate the changed weight distribution. Good idea overall. Since you’re going to run it as a direct drive, you’re going to want a system that makes a lot of torque and a lot of continuous power. A Tesla Model 3 rear motor and matching controller would be something to look into. It’s not exactly plug and play, but EV West sells parts to help make it work.
Agreed on all points.
I redid the whole suspension a few years back, new bushings, new rear springs (original), new bilstein shocks/struts, but it’s for the original set up. It will need tweaking for the new config.
When I originally came up with this idea about 7 years ago, I was thinking of snagging a wrecked Nissan Leaf and using that. The Leaf has its whole drive train in one, vertical stack above and slightly in front of the front wheels. It’s got the one speed transmission, the motor, and the motor controller all in 1 package. I would need to fabricate new mounts to mount it to the e21’s rear subframe (where the differential currently sits), and get new, slightly shorter half-shafts to the rear wheels, and I need to tilt the whole drive backwards so it takes up space in the fuel tank, the spare wheel well and a bit of the trunk, but it will miss affecting the rear seat. It would technically be facing backwards, running backwards.
The Model 3 packaging might be a lot more compact. The biggest challenge is that the e21’s wheel track is really narrow compared to modern cars, and (in owning a Model S P85) I know Tesla likes to package the motor, transmission and controller all together between the rear wheels. I’m not sure I’ll have that much width and still clear the e21’s rear suspension. The best thing is that there are now so many more EVs out there, the drive options are quite a bit more plentiful!
My key goal here is to not ruin the handling of the e21. It’s so sublime right now, I don’t want to touch the suspension geometry or anything. The e21 is a really light car, its peppy and nimble with its ancient 100 hp 1.8l 4 banger, the Leaf’s motor, stock, would be a big improvement, a performance Model 3 drive unit would be downright scary.
Current projects:
’06 Honda CR-V: The wife’s daily, which needs to go in and have the clutch replaced.
’63 IH Travelall: troubleshooting the clutch. I rebuilt the entire brake system (calipers, drums, brake lines, prop valve, master cylinder) and the slave cylinder but I can’t get it to shift into gear. While I’m thinking about next steps there, I’m knocking all the scale off the frame and undercarriage and treating it with encapsulator before it gets a coat of chassis black. After that: I’m recovering the seats and installing a new wire harness under the dash.
’76 IH Scout: I need to pull the steering wheel and re-re-adjust the turn signal cam, which I fixed last summer but has since decided not to engage when signaling right.
Current project: suspension rebuild on my 20 year old Lexus.
Dream project: tube-frame rock buggy Jeep. This has been on my list for 10+ years, and likely will be on my list for another 10 years, at which point I’ll be too old to do it and will complain about that fact.
My biggest project, which I’m now prepared to admit is in “project hell” status, is my garage itself. The task seemed simple enough, this past spring I started sheet rocking it and hanging a heater so I could then use it for real projects through the winter. I really believed it was going to be done by early May. Well here we are in late October, it’s low 20s outside and I’ve still got 1 wall to sheetrock, wire up the heater and install an exhaust vent for it….
If and when that gets done I’ve got a 42 Buick in storage I acquired this spring, its patiently waiting to be torn apart and start being restored.
Garage projects are never done unless you only park cars in it.
Apprehensive to mention it because of the stereotype, but just finished dropping in a rebuilt b16b in a 98 civic ex sedan. Glad I spent bucks on a good exhaust so it doesn’t sound annoying. Also bought a datsun 521 and got it to run, drive, and stop. Already thinking of selling though. Just don’t need another money pit.
The Datsun doesn’t have to be a money pit, they’re pretty simple and parts are fairly readilly available in junk yards as Nissan just kept the same engine lineages going for forever, I do get it though, also if your Honda wasn’t all riced out in the 90’s then it’s a good starting point for any number of fun builds, just don’t try to tell the old pro drag racer with the 871 blower on his big block chevelle that he can’t be quicker than you in the quarter because you have a honda and you’re fine.
Current stucks: financial, mental. I just feel so damn useless all the time. There’s no extra funds to do anything I really enjoy and like, get the hell out of the house more. I had to drop everything this month for a family emergency, which is still a pretty big concern in the background of everything else that sucks. I have no hopes of a new job anytime soon that would pay for { flails arms at everything, both automotive and personal }. It’s all bad! I just don’t have the energy or extra time to wrench much right now. I keep saying I’m going to at least install the damn 944 starter since it’s like, only a handful of bolts, but it’s been a garbage month. I don’t know how to get out of it.
I can’t even take my rage out on the Lancer because it’s broken, too, and I had to put my track membership on hold for { flails arms at everything again } anyway. I feel like I’m even bad at that now because I’ve been off track for so long. I always feel like a downer and just like, want to hide so I don’t have to answer “how are you?” with either an honest bummer of an answer on my downward spiral of a life or a lie that feels even worse. There’s not much to look forward to right now. Nothing planned, nada. Everything just keeps getting worse.
Anyway, it’d be nice to hoon the snot out of a vehicle again or to have some news that isn’t depressing or stressful as hell. I don’t want to feel like I’m taking advantage of anyone for help or keep being the burden who brings everybody else down. I’m not here for pity—I’m just throwing out the actual reason I’m stuck as hell. I just want out of this.
The Lancer has a borked caliper that didn’t unbork itself after a rebuild and it sounds like it chewed through another set of pads. There’s a TPMS sensor that’s no longer responding (possibly dead?) and sending a really annoying flashing warning every time the car starts up, and that’s too expensive to replace right now. Plus, there’s an exhaust code that’ll probably keep it from passing inspection this month. I pulled the “drive 65 mph until all the codes clear” trick last year, but hell, even our stupid roads are more clogged now. I’ve tried the less expensive exhaust fixes of replacing the sensors, too, and it’s not that. The other possible issue may be the whole damn cat after 13 years and 200K+ miles of hooning around, and I can’t exactly straight-pipe a 2010 model like I did the 944.
Maybe I could daily the 944 for a while? There’s no windows, but it’s the closest to getting finished provided the new starter fixes the issue. Only problem is, it’s finally cold and moist outside. I’m all down for bundling up, but that’s uh, not great, especially if I need to go somewhere and not look like a cat mauled my hair.
There’s the 411, too, but it’s rolling on hard, old tires that need replacement soon and it’s got a wheel bearing I need to replace. The quick death wobble fix we did to Gambler it only sort of worked and the wobble’s coming back, so we probably need to order all the right materials to make the missing/dead bushings and do it right.
I guess there’s Reliable Transportation (the bicycle) for days when I just want to fart around town, but even it’s got a flat tire. That’s at least a sorta cheap fix, though.
I keep thinking about making a crapcan tracker to prioritize things for when I dig out of this hole. I have problems ranging from “annoying” to “enraging” and “unbearable” and a variety of price points to go broke from. I miss hooning stuff the most. I just need to find a place to do it where I won’t immediately get bombarded with “how are you?” when everything is still bad and frequently getting worse.
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Dream project? Shoving a Type 4 in the back of a Trabi, duh. Type 4 is always the answer. Alternately, a Tatra or an Amphicar would be cool. I wouldn’t tell people if I won the lottery, but there would be signs. Ill-advised signs.
The inevitable “How are you?” is the worst when life is on fire. I usually say “eh, I’m suriving” because I don’t want to turn into a 30 minute rant about how everything under the sun is garbage and I’m angry and miserable as hell about it.
Honestly though, the crapcan tracker idea is really good, even just using the stock notes app on your phone. I’ve done that so I can write down what will cost the least to be safe enough to drive the family, vs what’s cheapest to drive just me. Having a fleet of beaters, it helps having it listed and do a short “cost/time/difficulty/safety” analysis visualized instead of having it swirling in your head while you’re also trying to worry about dozens of other things.
Also, there might be a way to trick the PCM on the Lancer to get it to pass emissions this one time. I wired a resistor into the signal wire of my downstream o2 sensor and tied it to the signal wire for the upstream o2 sensor to get my neon through emissions last year. Annoying, but necessary.
That’s a clever fix. I like “I’m surviving,” too, even if it really doesn’t feel like it right now.
Whenever anyone asks me “How’s life treating you?” i always answer “Like it caught me in bed with its wife” pretty much shuts them up every time lol
In person, I usually just answer “Fine” regardless of the situation, because there is no way I can summarize such a thing in a single paragraph. Online, it can easily turn into a 10-page rant.
Yours is better because it’s both pithy and hilarious.
Ha! That’s a good one. It’s been treating me like a roll of toilet paper, if I’m honest.
I’m surprised The Autopian didn’t hire you yet!
You shouldn’t feel like you’re taking advantage of anyone. When I was out of work and had many similar feelings of depression and lack of progress toward life goals(along a bunch of other life issues out of my control), there were jerks who accused me of exactly that. The fact is things have been tough for a long time for most people, and IMO, aren’t getting any better on the whole, even if my situation has improved. The economy being prosperous is a giant gaslight to everyone struggling. Things are very often not as they are presented by the mainstream news or the official statistics.
For the time being, try to find things that bring you joy which don’t cost any money. Alternatively, try to find a crap job to have some kind of money coming in, assuming you don’t already, so that you have something to use towards the more modest/less expensive of your projects. As long as you’re making some progress on something that matters to you, at least you’re not stagnant.
Getting that 944 starter in would be a good start.
Yeah—I’ve at least got some part-time work, but definitely not enough to cover everything, especially with downtime for other problems. :/
If I don’t have to go back to Mom’s, I’ll see if I can get that starter in. I don’t know. She’s the last of my immediate family left and going through some pretty bad health issues.
I can currently relate to this exact situation. And my best friend from childhood committed suicide on top of all of the other losses. It sucks.
Man, I’m sorry. That’s a lot of loss.
Every day upright is a win. I have a buddy that made some bad decisions and is now looking at jail time potentially because he got caught up in trying to win some sort of imaginary contest about how life is supposed to look. One step after the other, keep on keepin on.
Thanks, man. I’m just overwhelmed as hell lately.
This world is heavy. At some point we deluded ourselves into thinking that just “being” wasn’t enough.
Toe nailed it. Start with a small, achievable job. Complete it. Take time to appreciate your success. Move on to the next achievable task. Rinse and repeat.
Another form of motivation:
Puffalump, we want to see a picture of a 944 starter installed by the end of the weekend on rusty_spanners.
Peer pressure is a hell of a drug.
We’ll see—just got a worrisome update on the family side. Balls. Without going too hard into that, I don’t know what to do there.
I appreciate the peer pressure, though. Alleviates some of the overwhelming/alone factor. Like with work stuff, I miss hard deadlines! Check-ins! Badgering! Badger me, dang it. I really hate leaving an immobile ‘lump in a friend’s driveway.
You may be alone in person, but the internet won’t let you down. Get wrenchin!!!!
I know how you feel, my typical response is “I’m alive” and sometimes even that doesn’t seem worthwhile but you’ll get through this, and don’t think you wont get you stuff done, it might just take some time.
Also I know this is probably a looooong stretch but my dad keeps trying to get me to come back to work for my old department in Utah, so if you’d be interested in working at their new prison, they’re aparently hiring just about anyone they can get their hands on, and if the pay is anything like it was 10 years ago it should be in the mid 20’s per hour plus benefits. Just thought that might be a viable stable income if you need it.
Thanks for the heads-up, but I’m pretty geographically stuck in Austin unless there’s a considerable jump in pay from my last job to cover a move. I’ve at least got a part-time hourly job filling in most of the bills, but I really need something more stable (a regular salary with time off for family emergencies like this month’s, mostly), and hopefully back in the journalism/comms world so I don’t feel like my life’s been a gigantic waste.
That’s one of the worst parts of this all: everything I’ve done feels like it was for nothing. My entire career led me…here, unemployed and seemingly unemployable at anything related to my experience, be it journo- or corporate-side.
I hear that. I ended up in law enforcement after 30 years as a carpenter making hand made cabinetry, furniture, and children’s toys like carousel horses, when the economy tanked in ’08. It was really tough as I had just gotten married and had my first child on the way so believe me I get it.
If you’re open to an oddball suggestion that, strangely, relates to utilization of writing and communication experience, my little brother was in a similar boat to you in that he studied to be an english teacher but couldn’t find work because he’s a 400lbs hawaiian so he kept getting told he was too intimidating to teach kids so he ended up in an engineering firm being an estimator so he writes construction proposals for things like roller-coasters and rocket gantries. It’s not where he was expecting to be but it uses his skills and education, and has been great for him and his little family.
Aw, man. Big dudes are great teachers sometimes, and that’s an awful thing for someone to tell your brother. I’m glad it all worked out, though.
Yeah we all thought so too but it wasn’t to be. If you’re ever struggling and need somebody to talk to, odd as it will sound, if you can’t find a close friend, try a cop or a parole officer. We basically have to be able to switch between hard ass and sympathetic dad near instantly and actually the Austin PD had, if not still has, a specialized unit just to help with people struggling that they use to train other departments and officers. It was really helpful for me as an officer, and when I’ve had a rough patch I knew I
could look for one of my fellow CIT officers. Just fyi if you need it it’s there.
Thanks, man.
Any time.
Against better judgment, I acquired a Z3 M Roadster a few months back. 170+k miles, and early enough that there’s no traction control. Replaced the primary idler & tensioner pulleys to quiet it down, but that’s all I’ve done as I have been driving it every chance I get: gotta keep an eye on the changing leaves at different elevations, you know. I definitely need to replace the AC tensioner pulley as well, but am just going to pull the hardtop for the rest of fall driving.
note that 4yo performance tires give no warning at the edge in temps below around 60°: I am fast learning fine throttle control. Haven’t spun out yet, but have a few times gone from delighted chuckles to alarmed squeaks 😉
Current Projects:
99 Neon Daily: Just threw the crank pulley off coming home from work. Apparently it was a 2 piece design that nobody put loctite in the bolt holes. I never had it off, so I didn’t know to look. My wife had to come rescue me the night before our 20th anniverssary of our first date. Chaos reigns.
03 SRT-4: Just developed a pretty decent oil leak. It’s coating the underside of the car and is mildly concerning. It needs a clutch fork, a clutch, and I hate the boost controller that’s in it, but I’ll burn that bridge later.
95 Neon (NYG ACR): Needs an engine. Instead of getting the head I want to put in it rebuilt, I bought a weird ITB manifold 500 miles away, and I’m waiting on my buddy to remember to ship it to me. I’m planning on using another SOHC head, a 2.4 block (which is rarely done) and a mildly too large cam, it should be fun.
87 LeBaron woody wagon SRT-4 swap: It’s going to need a clutch and some parts soon, but I said that the last 2 years. It needs me to do the timing belt too, but it’s our summer daily. I want to cobble together coilovers for it at some point. I put 10K on it this year.
86 LeBaron turbo woody wagon: It needs some body work and some suspension parts. I lowered it last year. This year when I went to move it, I blew a brake line.
04 Neon SXT: Has been sitting with a blown headgasket for a while. I might trade it for a Cherokee if my buddy has an interest in it.
89 Grand Caravan Conversion Van with 5 speed swap: I wrecked it about a year ago. Wife and I cut the front end off a wrecked van in the yard last year and I haven’t had the heart/motivation to get to it. I’ll do that this winter, because I want to really bad.
I also need to get a title for my 92 Ram D150, a title for my son’s 03 Silverado he got for free, and buy and swap a 4.8 in place for the 4.3.
All of my progress and motivation has been sidelined because I got really badly injured back in May at work. I thought I pulled a muscle, turns out I strained a disc in my back, and it’s pressing on a nerve causing back pain and leg numbness now 5 months later. The less I do, the better my body feels, but the worse my brain feels. So I’ve barely worked on anything at all this year.
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Hopefully next year is better for me.
If anyone cares, I document my shenanigans on YT at http://www.youtube.com/INVUJerry
Gah, nerve pain is the worst. I irritated one in my shoulder trying to thrash the 944 back together earlier this year, and it took months for it to get back to sort of normal. I’m so sorry, man. Keep resting, and stay on top of the physical therapy exercises if you’ve been given any. It’ll be worth it in the end.
Thank you! I was doing PT before I found out about the disc bulge/nerve pain, they thought it was SI joint inflammation. I just did a shot in my back 2 weeks ago that helped with the pain some, but, some days are worse than others. The numbness is the worst part because it’s making my left leg and foot feel numb while I’m driving, and making spirited driving just unfun. I’m dealing with workman’s comp, so everything is moving at a glacial pace. I’m just trying to stick it out because I want to feel normal again.
Oof, numbness is the worst. Get better soon, dude.
I really appreciate that, it means a lot
I need to get my daily driver to pass the European safety inspection and then hopefully sell it. As for my Oldsmobile i will drop the engine shortly to overhaul it during the winter and find out what cam to put in it,happy to take suggestions. I think will go for around 260-280 adv. duration,but not to aggressive either.
My daily drivers are minor projects. A door lock actuator failed on my Cruze. That’s getting replaced soon. My RAV4 is getting new front calipers since the slide pins aren’t releasing. Both cars are getting their annual Fluid Film spray this weekend before temperatures dip. This year is a quick spray year for both cars since I did a comprehensive spray last year.