This past weekend I drove an Ineos Grenadier to Moab, Utah and back to LA. It was about 24 hours of driving; add the additional eight or so hours of epic off-roading, and I was burning lots of gas. This meant I was constantly on the prowl looking for the cheapest fuel between California and Utah, and one thing that annoyed me to no end — and that has annoyed me for years — came to mind: The way gas stations advertising pricing is total bullshit. I realize this is a random blog, but just allow me to rant a bit.
Cornell Law School defines a “Bait and Switch like this:
A “bait and switch” takes place when a seller creates an appealing but ingenuine offer to sell a product or service, which the seller does not actually intend to sell. This initial advertised offer is “the bait.” Then the seller switches customers from buying the advertised product or service that the seller initially offered into buying a different product or service that is usually at a higher price or has some other advantageous effect to the advertiser.
Per the university, this kind of thing is not legal. “’Bait and switch’ advertising is grounds for an action of common-law fraud, unjust enrichment, and sometimes breach of contract. A ‘bait and switch’ is also a violation of the Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Practices Act,’‘ writes Cornell.
Gas station pricing seems pretty damn close to falling under this definition, though if I had to guess, it probably technically clears the bar because of two small terms on the signs “cash” and “w/car wash.” Both of those terms drive me nuts.
First, we’ll start with the cash price thing, because that’s the one everyone knows, even though I think it’s the lesser of the two evils.
Cash Price
You’ve probably all seen signs like this. They show the price of gas nice and big, and then in a smaller font, they’ll have the word “cash” to indicate that, actually, this price isn’t what you’re going to be paying because you, like the vast majority of shoppers, aren’t interested in using cash to buy gasoline. What you will instead be paying is a higher price — probably 10 or so cents higher. What’s the deal with that?
Well, it seems there are two answers to this. The less obvious one (to me) is that people who buy gas with cash have to enter the store, and that represents an opportunity to sell more products. Per the National Association of Convenience Stores’ “Consumer Behavior at the Pump” study from March, 2019:
“As in previous years, the top reason that gas customers go inside the store is to pay for gas at the register. While 78% of all customers pay by credit or debit card, a sizable percentage of customers pay by cash inside the store. Fully half (50%) of all female customers pay for gas at the register”
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Ultimately, success for retailers is often determined by how they can attract customers to their lot to buy fuel and also get them inside the store to purchase other items. Or, increasingly, by developing a strong in-store offer that translates to a fuel purchase that may be less dependent upon only the gas price sign.
So if a gas station can offer a discount for cash users, one might feel inclined to head into the store to hand over a few greenbacks. This is the number one reason why folks head into gas stations, with snack buying and then bathroom usage coming in after that.
To buy drinks (42%) and snacks (37%) are the next two reasons that gas customers come inside the store after filling up at the pump. Retailers also could consider the importance of two services that attract customers: More than one in five customers say they used the bathroom (21%) and one in eight used the ATM (13%) the last time they went inside the store. The importance of amenities like bathrooms and ATMs becomes much more apparent when looking at the order of purchases: Most drivers go inside the store before they buy gas (59%). Certainly, this includes the 45% of gas customers who pay inside, but many customers go inside the store before buying fuel, most likely to withdraw money for a cash purchase or use the bathroom.
Here’s a look at what people buy most frequently in gas station convenience stories, in case you were curious:
Of course, there’s a more obvious reason why the cash price is cheaper than the credit price: Gas stations have to pay merchant “interchange” fees, as Chase bank points out in an article on the topic, writing:
Gas stations are in fact legally allowed to charge a customer extra if they choose to use a credit card to purchase gas. This is because the gas station owners pay an interchange fee to the payment networks. They often pass this fee on to the consumer to recoup that additional cost.
An interchange fee is part of every credit card transaction that a merchant processes. The merchants themselves do not keep this money though. It’s passed back to the card issuer to cover the cost of processing the transaction as well as the risks associated with lending the credit.
So you might wonder how much these fees are, and whether or not the price you pay at the pump with your credit card is more than these fees. Is the gas station making more profit if you use a credit card? Per Chase, the answer appears to be: Not really:
Gas stations charge an average of 5 to 10 cents more per gallon for credit card purchases.
According to the Association for Convenience and Petroleum Retailing (NACS), Opens overlay, credit card processing fees at gas stations average about 2.5% of the total transaction price. As of October 2022, the national average for a gallon of gas, Opens overlay was $3.76, which would make the processing fee about $0.09 per gallon.
In general gas stations typically have a low profit margin on gasoline sales. Intense competition from other nearby stations means they’re often pricing a gallon of gas just a couple pennies over cost.
Still, why do they charge the customer the interchange fee in the first place? If you go into a Target, there’s no “cash price” on the goods, and Target has to pay the interchange fee too, right? I don’t have the answer to this, though I suspect it comes down to “low profit margin on gasoline sales” and of course the fact that, if the cash price is lower, you’re more inclined to enter the store and buy something.
W/Car Wash
This next one drives me mad, because, while I’m used to paying about 10 cents more than the (cash) advertised price on most signs, I don’t expect to have to buy a damn car wash in order to get the price shown.
Seriously, look at that Shell station above in Barstow. The biggest price at the top of the sign is $4.19 9/10 a gallon. If you’re driving along looking for the cheapest price, you’ll see that big number and head straight to the Shell, only to realize that this price only applies if you buy a car wash. This is wack.
First off, it’s worth noting that, despite phone apps that help you find the best price, NACS says the majority of people use store signs to shop for pricing, so having unclear signs is going to bring in potential customers, whom you will then disappoint.
I was one of those potential customers. I arrived at that gas station, finally got close enough to the sign to see the strategically small-fonted “Regular cash w/Wash” text above the advertised price, and then blurted an expletive or two at whoever runs that fuel station. To me, that seems like a Bait and Switch. The price per gallon looks to be $4.19 9/10, but upon arrival, you realize you’ve gotta buy the damn TrueCoat and pay with cash to get that price.
According to NACS, these tactics aren’t exactly ineffective. As you can see in the plot above, in 2019 16 percent of folks paid cash for a discount and 18 percent took advantage of bundles to get a discount.
So that’s why it happens, but it doesn’t make any of it acceptable in my mind. I guess I can understand the cash/credit thing due to the interchange fee, but with the vast majority of folks using credit cards for gas (and it looks like that 77 percent has risen from 2019, possibly due to COVID restricting cash use), having the big advertised price on the sign (which is still the primary way folks shop for gas — looking at signs) be the cash price just seems dishonest. And having that big price require a purchase of something else like a car wash? Get that crap out of here!
Images: NACS
The one that drives me up a wall (as someone who drives a car that wants premium) is that here in Texas 90+% of signs only have the regular grade price and the days of a consistent +10 cents per grade are long gone. So looking for the cheapest sign tells me nothing because some places I’m going to pay 30 cents more than the regular (credit) price and some places I’m going to pay 50 or 60 cents more.
Yes. I agree completely. When I lived in TX my cars always took premium and I did learn there to pay attention to which stations had what difference because those cars all got crappy gas mileage too so it mattered more then.
Really irritating when they changed from the 10 cents step per grade to eventually I think it’s 30 cents now? So a 60 cent upcharge for premium? It doesn’t cost that much more per gallon. But they can advertise the low regular price and once you’re in, you’re stuck.
Considering the difference is generally $1 here, I’d kill for either a 30 or 60 cent spread.
To be honest I haven’t been actually paying attention to the spread, so you inspired me to check online. The station right outside my neighborhood has a 80 cent split, the one I used to use down the road has a $1.20 split and the one by my work has a 90 cent split. Weirdly at all three midgrade is not in the middle of the split, but a little above center.
The midgrade split might be due to the refinery they all use. In most markets, there are only 1 or 2 refineries, and all the brands use the same refinery tanks, just different additive packages.
I don’t think I’ve seen it at a full dollar, but I’ve definitely seen seventy cents. I probably just stopped looking to keep from stressing about it.
Dailies can both run on regular and I’m actually paying attention to whether a car requires premium while shopping now.
Instead of playing games with cash vs card prices the convenience stores could focus on making the inside of the store a more pleasurable experience to drive traffic through the door. I can’t remember the last time I stopped at Buc-ee’s just for gas. Even if we don’t need anything we still end up wandering inside and buying at least $60 worth of crap.
Fun game: pronounce Buc-ee’s as “byou-cheese” in a conversation and try to pass it off as unironic.
Kwik Trip in the midwest has made a killing doing that. They’re basically mini grocery stores and they keep their interiors much nicer than your average gas station so they’re pleasant places to be.
They’re almost too good at it though. When a Kwik Trip opens in an area there’s a decent chance they’re going to put some other places out of business, kind of like Walmart.
I’m all for supporting local businesses, but you have to meet the needs and wants of your customers. An outside chain shouldn’t be able to walk in and serve your customers better.
Unless it’s very late at night or early AM, I consistently avoid Buc-ees. They are just a fucking madhouse most of the time. it feels like going to a Walmart on black friday to buy a pack of gum. Not worth the hassle, or playing frogger getting from your car to the store, since everyone forgets how to drive in those colossal fuel pavilions.
Also, buc-ees is getting awfully pricey for what it is. Last time I was in one, they were getting $6 for a breakfast taco, and $15 for a brisket sandwich. Uhhh, ‘scuse me? This is still a grab-and-go gas station sandwich that charges extra for condiments and doesn’t give you anywhere to sit. The breakfast tacos are pretty good, but six bucks? nah, I’m good. I don’t really peruse the “gifts” section since I don’t need any “Live Laugh Love”-esque crap to hang on my walls, but do recall seeing a display of scented candles. For $30. Who tf is going in a gas station to buy a $30 scented candle?
Still, a lot of people in Texas are weirdly obsessed and are physically incapable of driving by one without stopping, so I’m sure they’ll be just fine without my routine patronage.
You make excellent points, but their bohemian garlic jerky and banana pudding are worth the price.
Instead of playing games with cash vs card prices the convenience stores could focus on making the inside of the store a more pleasurable experience to drive traffic through the door. I can’t remember the last time I stopped at Buc-ee’s just for gas. Even if we don’t need anything we still end up wandering inside and buying at least $60 worth of crap.
Fun game: pronounce Buc-ee’s as “byou-cheese” in a conversation and try to pass it off as unironic.
Kwik Trip in the midwest has made a killing doing that. They’re basically mini grocery stores and they keep their interiors much nicer than your average gas station so they’re pleasant places to be.
They’re almost too good at it though. When a Kwik Trip opens in an area there’s a decent chance they’re going to put some other places out of business, kind of like Walmart.
I’m all for supporting local businesses, but you have to meet the needs and wants of your customers. An outside chain shouldn’t be able to walk in and serve your customers better.
Unless it’s very late at night or early AM, I consistently avoid Buc-ees. They are just a fucking madhouse most of the time. it feels like going to a Walmart on black friday to buy a pack of gum. Not worth the hassle, or playing frogger getting from your car to the store, since everyone forgets how to drive in those colossal fuel pavilions.
Also, buc-ees is getting awfully pricey for what it is. Last time I was in one, they were getting $6 for a breakfast taco, and $15 for a brisket sandwich. Uhhh, ‘scuse me? This is still a grab-and-go gas station sandwich that charges extra for condiments and doesn’t give you anywhere to sit. The breakfast tacos are pretty good, but six bucks? nah, I’m good. I don’t really peruse the “gifts” section since I don’t need any “Live Laugh Love”-esque crap to hang on my walls, but do recall seeing a display of scented candles. For $30. Who tf is going in a gas station to buy a $30 scented candle?
Still, a lot of people in Texas are weirdly obsessed and are physically incapable of driving by one without stopping, so I’m sure they’ll be just fine without my routine patronage.
You make excellent points, but their bohemian garlic jerky and banana pudding are worth the price.
Around here, I can get the lower price with the Sinclair app or the Fred Meyer rewards. But I’m not super price conscious most of the time. My car needs less than 10 gallons about once a quarter except when I’m travelling and I don’t take my pickup far enough to have a lot of options.
If I’m travelling, convenience probably trumps price, since it would need to be a significant difference to notice on a <10 gallon fill up.
Yeah I rarely even look at the prices. I typically only gas up 2x a month and it’s like 13 gallons, so the few cents aren’t going to make a big difference. On long trips, I gas up when I need gas and sure if there are 2 places right off the freeway I will first look at brands, I try to get top tier fuels as much as possible, and then price is the last thing I look at.
Around here, I can get the lower price with the Sinclair app or the Fred Meyer rewards. But I’m not super price conscious most of the time. My car needs less than 10 gallons about once a quarter except when I’m travelling and I don’t take my pickup far enough to have a lot of options.
If I’m travelling, convenience probably trumps price, since it would need to be a significant difference to notice on a <10 gallon fill up.
Yeah I rarely even look at the prices. I typically only gas up 2x a month and it’s like 13 gallons, so the few cents aren’t going to make a big difference. On long trips, I gas up when I need gas and sure if there are 2 places right off the freeway I will first look at brands, I try to get top tier fuels as much as possible, and then price is the last thing I look at.
I have a Prius so I don’t pay too much attention to gas prices. I’ve been aware of the interchange fee difference for a while, and I pay it every time so that I don’t have to mask and walk in. People suck and stores are understaffed. Plus, I hate carrying coins.
I’ve never seen “with wash” before but that would infuriate me, too. Damn.
I have a Prius so I don’t pay too much attention to gas prices. I’ve been aware of the interchange fee difference for a while, and I pay it every time so that I don’t have to mask and walk in. People suck and stores are understaffed. Plus, I hate carrying coins.
I’ve never seen “with wash” before but that would infuriate me, too. Damn.
Since my commute was short and my intercity travel infrequent, I could usually get away with filling up whenever I did a Costco run. Once in a while I was too lazy to make the seven-mile trip from work before the tank ran low, so I’d hit the right-in right-out Exxon on the way home. I remember the discounts for the car wash, but I don’t think they had instituted the “discount for cash” by then. If they did, I didn’t care; at 5,000 or so miles per year post-pandemic, gas prices weren’t a big concern.
I use costco for 99% of my gas purchases. Pays for the membership
Same. I also like not having to wait for a free pump while 4% of the customers are wandering stoned around the C-store looking at shiny things and leaving without buying anything.
Since my commute was short and my intercity travel infrequent, I could usually get away with filling up whenever I did a Costco run. Once in a while I was too lazy to make the seven-mile trip from work before the tank ran low, so I’d hit the right-in right-out Exxon on the way home. I remember the discounts for the car wash, but I don’t think they had instituted the “discount for cash” by then. If they did, I didn’t care; at 5,000 or so miles per year post-pandemic, gas prices weren’t a big concern.
I use costco for 99% of my gas purchases. Pays for the membership
Same. I also like not having to wait for a free pump while 4% of the customers are wandering stoned around the C-store looking at shiny things and leaving without buying anything.
I’m not terribly price conscious when I shop for gas. I usually go to a station that has high quality fuel and pay the asking price. If the differential is $0.15 per gallon, I’m probably going to pay at most $2.25 more than if I find a cheaper station (15 gallon tank). If they are all using the same advertising techniques, I agree it’s irritating, but I don’t think it makes much real difference.
Pretty much. I have 3 areas I travel to regularly where I get gas. Ideally I’ll buy in the cheapest area but sometimes I forget and end up paying maybe a dollar more than I would have. The difference for 9 or so gallons isn’t worth me wasting my time to save some money.
I knew someone who would drive 15 miles away to get gas because it was cheaper. Yes you saved money but the amount of time you spent going to a gas station out of your way is not worth the few dollars you end up saving.
I’m not terribly price conscious when I shop for gas. I usually go to a station that has high quality fuel and pay the asking price. If the differential is $0.15 per gallon, I’m probably going to pay at most $2.25 more than if I find a cheaper station (15 gallon tank). If they are all using the same advertising techniques, I agree it’s irritating, but I don’t think it makes much real difference.
Pretty much. I have 3 areas I travel to regularly where I get gas. Ideally I’ll buy in the cheapest area but sometimes I forget and end up paying maybe a dollar more than I would have. The difference for 9 or so gallons isn’t worth me wasting my time to save some money.
I knew someone who would drive 15 miles away to get gas because it was cheaper. Yes you saved money but the amount of time you spent going to a gas station out of your way is not worth the few dollars you end up saving.
Certified Cheap Bastard David Tracy rides again! Complete with onion tied to belt and shouting at clouds!
Yes. But also, he’s not wrong. He even said that he knows this is shouting at the clouds, but it’s his blog, so he can do that if he wants to. But also, he’s not wrong.
How is this shouting at clouds?
Certified Cheap Bastard David Tracy rides again! Complete with onion tied to belt and shouting at clouds!
Yes. But also, he’s not wrong. He even said that he knows this is shouting at the clouds, but it’s his blog, so he can do that if he wants to. But also, he’s not wrong.
How is this shouting at clouds?
The reason I am a repeat ARCO customer is because they charge the cash price if you use a debit card – there’s an additional 35-cent debit card charge, but that’s it.
I think most places do this, at least where I am. You have to tell them debit and not credit though as most just default to credit cards whereas Arco is only cash or debit.
The reason I am a repeat ARCO customer is because they charge the cash price if you use a debit card – there’s an additional 35-cent debit card charge, but that’s it.
I think most places do this, at least where I am. You have to tell them debit and not credit though as most just default to credit cards whereas Arco is only cash or debit.
While I do hate this, I’d settle for no more gas pump TVs. They’ve gotten wise to you mashing the context-sensitive buttons to mute it, too: they unmute as the move from commercial to commercial.
And who the hell asked for them?! They are universally hated, and cost the station more money to put in. I am sure they are getting paid for the ads that play so it’s an extra revenue stream so I do get it, but oh man I despise those. I do intentionally avoid stations around town with those.
The advertising networks charge around $1200 to $1500 per 4 week period. I’m sure a fraction of that goes to the station owner.
I’m six years into leaving stations that have them without buying anything.
These. These are the absolute worst. Talk about being a captive audience. And some of them are ear-splittingly loud too.
DEATH TO ALL GAS PUMP TVS!!!
I have literally pulled into a gas station, and pulled right back out again to go to another one if I hear a chorus of ads being blared from the pumps. It’s like websites that auto-play audio- absolutely no place for it in a civilized world.
I feel like this isn’t as common as it once was though, hopefully a trend that’s dying out. If you do get a pump that starts blaring some idiotic Fail Army video or ads for vagina wash at max volume from a shitty blown out speaker it’s almost always the 2nd button from the top, on the right side of the screen that is the mute, although I have run into some where that was apparently disabled. I’m sure in no coincidence whatsoever, these tend to be heavily vandalized.
I’ve also just left to go to another station if the card reader on the pump doesn’t work. “See cashier”, uhh, no, “see another station”. I’m not standing in line behind the guy with 47 lottery tickets to check or is going to take 10 minutes to point out what vape they want behind the counter.
While I do hate this, I’d settle for no more gas pump TVs. They’ve gotten wise to you mashing the context-sensitive buttons to mute it, too: they unmute as the move from commercial to commercial.
And who the hell asked for them?! They are universally hated, and cost the station more money to put in. I am sure they are getting paid for the ads that play so it’s an extra revenue stream so I do get it, but oh man I despise those. I do intentionally avoid stations around town with those.
The advertising networks charge around $1200 to $1500 per 4 week period. I’m sure a fraction of that goes to the station owner.
I’m six years into leaving stations that have them without buying anything.
These. These are the absolute worst. Talk about being a captive audience. And some of them are ear-splittingly loud too.
DEATH TO ALL GAS PUMP TVS!!!
I have literally pulled into a gas station, and pulled right back out again to go to another one if I hear a chorus of ads being blared from the pumps. It’s like websites that auto-play audio- absolutely no place for it in a civilized world.
I feel like this isn’t as common as it once was though, hopefully a trend that’s dying out. If you do get a pump that starts blaring some idiotic Fail Army video or ads for vagina wash at max volume from a shitty blown out speaker it’s almost always the 2nd button from the top, on the right side of the screen that is the mute, although I have run into some where that was apparently disabled. I’m sure in no coincidence whatsoever, these tend to be heavily vandalized.
I’ve also just left to go to another station if the card reader on the pump doesn’t work. “See cashier”, uhh, no, “see another station”. I’m not standing in line behind the guy with 47 lottery tickets to check or is going to take 10 minutes to point out what vape they want behind the counter.
This doesn’t bother me nearly as much as my grocery store trying to give me “fuel points” instead of just, you know, cheaper groceries. Like I’m gonna time my beer run for when my tank is empty. The last thing I need for for my level of alcoholism to be tied to my gas mileage.
This doesn’t bother me nearly as much as my grocery store trying to give me “fuel points” instead of just, you know, cheaper groceries. Like I’m gonna time my beer run for when my tank is empty. The last thing I need for for my level of alcoholism to be tied to my gas mileage.
I’m interested in the 4% who went in to look but didn’t buy anything.
Does that mean they had something specific in mind that the convenience store didn’t have, or was it just for browsing’s sake, checking to see what kind of beef sticks they stock, do they have the STP additive with the flames on the bottle, etc.?
I’ve been in that 4% for a couple reasons. If the prices are too high or they don’t have a snack or drink that seems appealing, I may not purchase anything. Usually I’m in the 42% bought a drink category if I go in.
They have priced me out of the convenience store. I’ve eliminated candy bars from my diet. The 20 (and now 16.~ oz) drinks cost more at the C-store than they do from my delivery restaurant.
Yeah, I can’t justify many snacks that aren’t on clearance, though the Lipton Brisk products are still an okay price if they’re running a deal for buying 2 of the 1 liter bottles.
But I walk back out without buying anything a lot more than I’d like.
> the STP additive with the flames on the bottle
I won’t drink any other kind. I like my STP additives like I like my Takis: con Fuego.
I’m pretty sure it was mostly teenagers who went in and shoplifted condoms.
Maybe they just needed to stretch their legs during a long trip? It’s climate controlled inside most of the time.
I’m in that group sometimes. I’ve gone in, and they either didn’t have the specific drink I was looking for, or Skittles or whatever snack I was craving was some ridiculous price and I’ve walked back out.
Stoned people who have decided they can’t talk to another human, and opt to DoorDash instead.
Walk in and realize that everything is massively overpriced. Turn around and walk out. There is generally nothing but bad habits in the gas station stores anyway so nothing lost.
I’ve gone in looking for something like Advil or toothpaste and left empty handed. Sometimes in super rural areas, it’s the only store for miles!
I’m interested in the 4% who went in to look but didn’t buy anything.
Does that mean they had something specific in mind that the convenience store didn’t have, or was it just for browsing’s sake, checking to see what kind of beef sticks they stock, do they have the STP additive with the flames on the bottle, etc.?
I’ve been in that 4% for a couple reasons. If the prices are too high or they don’t have a snack or drink that seems appealing, I may not purchase anything. Usually I’m in the 42% bought a drink category if I go in.
They have priced me out of the convenience store. I’ve eliminated candy bars from my diet. The 20 (and now 16.~ oz) drinks cost more at the C-store than they do from my delivery restaurant.
Yeah, I can’t justify many snacks that aren’t on clearance, though the Lipton Brisk products are still an okay price if they’re running a deal for buying 2 of the 1 liter bottles.
But I walk back out without buying anything a lot more than I’d like.
> the STP additive with the flames on the bottle
I won’t drink any other kind. I like my STP additives like I like my Takis: con Fuego.
I’m pretty sure it was mostly teenagers who went in and shoplifted condoms.
Maybe they just needed to stretch their legs during a long trip? It’s climate controlled inside most of the time.
I’m in that group sometimes. I’ve gone in, and they either didn’t have the specific drink I was looking for, or Skittles or whatever snack I was craving was some ridiculous price and I’ve walked back out.
Stoned people who have decided they can’t talk to another human, and opt to DoorDash instead.
Walk in and realize that everything is massively overpriced. Turn around and walk out. There is generally nothing but bad habits in the gas station stores anyway so nothing lost.
I’ve gone in looking for something like Advil or toothpaste and left empty handed. Sometimes in super rural areas, it’s the only store for miles!
From what I’ve noticed, these kind of displayed differential prices seem to be more prevalent in California than other places. In Colorado, there is usually not a discounted price displayed for cash, and any discount for buying a car wash is displayed as a promotion on the pump itself, not the sign.
I’m in Canada and the only place I’ve noticed cash discounts are on diesel at truck stops. I do get a 3 cent/litre discount at the gas station directly on my way home by paying with a CIBC Visa. And I get 1% cashback on fuel so it is more like 4.5 cents off. So yeah, 95% of my fuel purchases are at that station.
Also car washes are discounted with a minimum fuel purchase, not the fuel itself in my area.
From what I’ve noticed, these kind of displayed differential prices seem to be more prevalent in California than other places. In Colorado, there is usually not a discounted price displayed for cash, and any discount for buying a car wash is displayed as a promotion on the pump itself, not the sign.
I’m in Canada and the only place I’ve noticed cash discounts are on diesel at truck stops. I do get a 3 cent/litre discount at the gas station directly on my way home by paying with a CIBC Visa. And I get 1% cashback on fuel so it is more like 4.5 cents off. So yeah, 95% of my fuel purchases are at that station.
Also car washes are discounted with a minimum fuel purchase, not the fuel itself in my area.
The latest one around here is putting the price of E15 (“Unleaded 88”) in big numbers, and the price of normal E10 in small numbers underneath it. No one wants that shit.
The car wash one is funny though because sometimes they won’t have a gallon limit for the discount and I can fill up my 48 gallon truck and get what amounts to a free wash.
The Fred Meyer discount used to be great for that (and at the current 35 gallon limit, it’s still pretty good). Save up enough points for a dollar off, bring in your vehicle with the biggest tank, and save a bunch of money.
That is what I do with Speedways around here save up the points and bring my truck when I use the points since it has a 30 gallon tank and they have a limit of 25 gallons (luckily it works for auto diesel not the truck lane diesels though).
Gallon-limited grocery discounts were nice for the wallet but a pain as a practical matter when I was in college with my van.
33 gallon tank. It was either 10 cents/gallon discount per $100 spent at Giant for a 25-gallon limit, or 10 cents/gallon discount per $50 spent at Weis for a 20-gallon limit. I didn’t spend tons on groceries, so I always used Weis.
And every freakin time at the pump, you’d put 20 gallons in, it’d go agonizingly slow as it stopped automatically exactly at 20, and then I’d have to put the pump back, explain to the clerk to put the remaining cash back in, then start pumping the rest of the way to full.
Maybe only 1/10 of the time the clerk would know what I meant if I made a circle gesture with a finger if I was at a far pump. (One of those gas stations where there’s an attendant with an out-building.)
And it was even worse in the winter months when the pump is already running slower to begin with. Freeze your damn hands off waiting.
I haven’t had that issue with Speedway luckily but it would slow down at the last gallon before the 25. I did however have issues with Mejier’s discount at their gas station sure it saved more money then using the points on cash discounts. Any time I used the points for discount on gas the pump it would ask if I wanted to apply the discount I would say yes and the pump just didn’t work wouldn’t pump at all no what what grade was selected so I would have to go in and ask for an mount on the pump and choose to apply the discount and hope the discount is applied at the pump sometimes it was sometimes it was not. So I have just said screw it and just use the points now for grocery discounts.
I love the E15 in my hybrid. I save another 10% on gas, and my fuel mileage doesn’t drop at all.
That is a thermodynamic impossibility.
I’d believe that if I we were comparing non-ethanol gas, but we only have E10 available here anyway.
Technically, it’s a thermodynamic improbability. Auto engines are tuned for gasoline, but an engine tuned specifically for ethanol fuel could possibly burn gasoline with lower efficiency.
But yeah, no hybrid is running E15 and getting the same mileage as E10 or ethanol free gasoline. It might be close enough between E10 and E15 that you’re not noticing, or that it’s masked by other factors like load, temperature and humidity.
If it’s so close I’m not noticing – then the difference is irrelevant.
The latest one around here is putting the price of E15 (“Unleaded 88”) in big numbers, and the price of normal E10 in small numbers underneath it. No one wants that shit.
The car wash one is funny though because sometimes they won’t have a gallon limit for the discount and I can fill up my 48 gallon truck and get what amounts to a free wash.
The Fred Meyer discount used to be great for that (and at the current 35 gallon limit, it’s still pretty good). Save up enough points for a dollar off, bring in your vehicle with the biggest tank, and save a bunch of money.
That is what I do with Speedways around here save up the points and bring my truck when I use the points since it has a 30 gallon tank and they have a limit of 25 gallons (luckily it works for auto diesel not the truck lane diesels though).
Gallon-limited grocery discounts were nice for the wallet but a pain as a practical matter when I was in college with my van.
33 gallon tank. It was either 10 cents/gallon discount per $100 spent at Giant for a 25-gallon limit, or 10 cents/gallon discount per $50 spent at Weis for a 20-gallon limit. I didn’t spend tons on groceries, so I always used Weis.
And every freakin time at the pump, you’d put 20 gallons in, it’d go agonizingly slow as it stopped automatically exactly at 20, and then I’d have to put the pump back, explain to the clerk to put the remaining cash back in, then start pumping the rest of the way to full.
Maybe only 1/10 of the time the clerk would know what I meant if I made a circle gesture with a finger if I was at a far pump. (One of those gas stations where there’s an attendant with an out-building.)
And it was even worse in the winter months when the pump is already running slower to begin with. Freeze your damn hands off waiting.
I haven’t had that issue with Speedway luckily but it would slow down at the last gallon before the 25. I did however have issues with Mejier’s discount at their gas station sure it saved more money then using the points on cash discounts. Any time I used the points for discount on gas the pump it would ask if I wanted to apply the discount I would say yes and the pump just didn’t work wouldn’t pump at all no what what grade was selected so I would have to go in and ask for an mount on the pump and choose to apply the discount and hope the discount is applied at the pump sometimes it was sometimes it was not. So I have just said screw it and just use the points now for grocery discounts.
I love the E15 in my hybrid. I save another 10% on gas, and my fuel mileage doesn’t drop at all.
That is a thermodynamic impossibility.
I’d believe that if I we were comparing non-ethanol gas, but we only have E10 available here anyway.
Technically, it’s a thermodynamic improbability. Auto engines are tuned for gasoline, but an engine tuned specifically for ethanol fuel could possibly burn gasoline with lower efficiency.
But yeah, no hybrid is running E15 and getting the same mileage as E10 or ethanol free gasoline. It might be close enough between E10 and E15 that you’re not noticing, or that it’s masked by other factors like load, temperature and humidity.
If it’s so close I’m not noticing – then the difference is irrelevant.