Here’s The Unhinged Death Threat I Got For Calling The AMC V8 Engine A Piece Of Shit, Which It Is

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AMC 360 article” reads the subject line of an email that will forever go down in history as the most epically unhinged correspondence I’ve ever received. The message, from a Wisconsin reader named John, who used his actual email for some reason, is so unbelievably vitriolic and unhinged, one could argue that it’s traveled the full circle from low-quality junkmail to literary masterwork. Because for what it is, this threatening bit of hate-mail is actually beautifully written.

[Note: This article includes harsh and threatening language, which we at The Autopian take seriously. With that said, I’ve moved recently (and done some research into the email’s author), and don’t feel like I’m in any real danger. I also want to note that I don’t know what the author was going through at the time he sent this email; I wish him well.  -DT]

Let’s Establish That I’m Not A Huge Fan Of The AMC 360 Engine

Back in April, shortly after the founding of this website you’re currently reading, I wrote an article titled Why The AMC V8 Engine Found In Some Of The Greatest Cars Of All Time Is Such A Humongous Pile Of Shit. Here’s a screenshot of the headline and top image, which shows an AMC V8, an equals sign, and a rather cute little poop pile sitting atop an American Motors Corporation logo:

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A little controversial? Sure. Maybe even provocative. But I have good reason for this; I’d owned multiple AMC 360-powered Jeeps, and they were all inefficient, underpowered, and not particularly easy to work on. Plus, in the case of my 1979 Jeep Cherokee Golden Eagle, the motor was actively ruining my life — a fact that, as I noted, factored into me writing that article:

[Before I get started, allow me to just vent for a moment. I spent all of Sunday trying to get my 1979 Jeep Cherokee Golden Eagle’s replacement AMC V8 engine running. Should I have been editing, writing, answering emails, researching, and hiring? Yes. But instead I was elbow deep inside what has to be the most poorly designed engine I’ve ever had the misfortune of dealing with. The shittiness of the AMC V8 is severely jeopardizing The Autopian’s future outlook; that’s fitting, in some ways. Anyway, it’s not solely my frustration that’s leading me to write this article; the AMC 360 truly is a poorly-designed motor, as I will now show]. 

My article continues with me contrasting the unstoppable AMC inline-six and the rather-stoppable 360 V8, which was supposed to be an upgrade:

You may know American Motors Corporation as builder of the greatest Jeep engine of all time, the AMC inline-six, a motor that came primarily in 232 cubic-inc, 258 cubic-inch, and 4.0-liter displacements. This long iron-block motor, found in pretty much every Jeep between 1970 and 2000 — was absolutely unstoppable (If you want to be “in” with the Jeep crowd, just say “That foar leeter is bulletproof I tellya” anywhere near a gas station) thanks to its simple design, ease of serviceability, and plentiful low-RPM torque.

It’s surprising, then, that the same company that built that amazing off-road motor developed the AMC V8, a contraption whose only reliability was liability, and that was ubiquitous in AMC products for decades. The thing went in damn near everything as the “step-up” from the six cylinder, even though, really, it was a huge step down. Let’s take a look at some machines burdened with hauling around this iron menace.

From there, I point out the AMC 360’s suboptimal timing cover design. From a packaging/complexity standpoint, it is brilliant, but the fact that the engine’s oil pump has a tendency to eat itself and starve the motor of oil is just sad:

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AMC owners also complain about lubrication concerns with the rearmost cylinder, I have complaints about packaging making the engine relatively difficult to service, and of course there’s the fact that the 500 pound mill makes no power and sucks fuel like mad. Plus, parts aren’t that easy to find.

There’s a reason why so many Grand Wagoneer owners just yank their V8s and chuck in Chevrolet Small-Block motors.

I realize it’s controversial, and plenty of folks in the comments took umbrage with my criticism, and that’s fair. Maybe I was a little harsh. I can see how this particular part of my article venting about an engine whose design I don’t like might have ruffled some feathers, even if it was meant to be a bit tongue-in-cheek:

I’m fairly sure fellow AMC-lovers are going to come out of the woodwork to defend the AMC V8, which came primarily in three variants: 304, 360, and 401. “Mine has driven over 200,000 miles,” some will say. “This guy just doesn’t know how to wrench,” others will claim. “It was a torquey, stout motor,” many will cry. “Some of these have been built into highly successful race motors” others will assert. And to them I say: Wake up.

I was a sheep like you once, having fallen head-over-heels for the American Motors way of life. The soulful designs; the charmingly weird blend of Ford, GM, and Chrysler parts; the generally-stout hardware; and just the bold, Smallest-Of-The-American-Automakers rough-and-tumble way of doing things. Like you, I used to see AMC vehicles, especially Jeeps, through rose colored glasses. Hell, I currently own seven AMC-era Jeeps, and I’ve owned many more in my past! I even visited Kenosha a few years ago solely to pay homage to AMC, and I recently snuck into the old American Center former headquarters in Southfield, Michigan. I’m a diehard AMC fan, believe me.

But I have no choice but to call a boat-anchor a boat-anchor…

So now that we’ve gotten that established, let’s get to the death threat:

The Death Threat Email

Three months after publishing that article, I received the aforementioned “AMC 360 article” email. I’ll just paste it in its entirety, and then go through it line-by-line afterwards:

Your article about the AMC 360 is wrong and you’re a complete dipshit. The reason your engine failed is because you didn’t do routine checks and preventive maintenance on it before it failed.
You’re a fucking ass clown for blaming the engine for the problems that you yourself created after you failed to perform the maintenance an old vehicle needs to prevent problems with it in the present day!
Nope… You probably bought an old vehicle and just kept driving it instead of properly sorting it out. So then, after this mess you caused for yourself, you being the overly accomplished writer you are, took it upon yourself to write an article and trash an entire line of engines that is known for beating the Big 3 on the drag strip and in many other racing outlets from it’s inception until present day.
Oh and let me guess. You probably weren’t even using oil designed for flat tappet camshaft engines too! Right? Haha. You were probably using some bullshit oil you bought from a gas station down the road because it was good enough! Right? Or was it the same oil you like to use in all those Jeep Cherokees you have rotting away in your back yard. Yeah. Yeah. I know your kind of people. Those are all the “some day” projects. You know. The projects you’ll eventually get to “some day” after you finally strike it rich with your whimsical writing ability!!! Right??
You sir fancy yourself as a Jeep aficionado but you are not. You’re some clown that buys old Jeeps and parks them in your back yard… or seeing that you’re from Florida… front yard… so you have something to tinker with then write about or make videos about with your buddies to try to make money from with your new stupid website!
Here’s the bottom line dude: You’re just a garbage wanna be journalist out there getting attention for himself to sell merch and making a living. That’s all you are. A pathetic little man with a big stupid mouth.
So this is what I’m going to tell you right now. If I ever run across you in public, I’m going to make sure you never write another thing about an AMC v8 engine ever again. That’s a promise dude.
Now if you can please go properly fuck yourself, I’d really appreciate it. You miserable piece of shit. Fuck you!
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My lord. Okay, let’s just go through this a bit, because it’s just so gloriously juicy.

Your article about the AMC 360 is wrong and you’re a complete dipshit. The reason your engine failed is because you didn’t do routine checks and preventive maintenance on it before it failed.

John comes out swinging with a strong opening line. He establishes that I’m wrong and a dipshit — honestly, from a journalistic standpoint, this is a strong lede. He then claims that my engine’s struggles are my fault, not AMC engineers’ fault. But before we go too long without some spice, he follows that up with this:

You’re a fucking ass clown for blaming the engine for the problems that you yourself created after you failed to perform the maintenance an old vehicle needs to prevent problems with it in the present day!

A “fucking ass clown”! Let’s continue:

Nope… You probably bought an old vehicle and just kept driving it instead of properly sorting it out. So then, after this mess you caused for yourself, you being the overly accomplished writer you are, took it upon yourself to write an article and trash an entire line of engines that is known for beating the Big 3 on the drag strip and in many other racing outlets from it’s inception until present day.

Here John sarcastically pokes fun at my writing skills, and notes — as I predicted in my article — that the AMC 360 has some race wins under its belt. Then he gets seemingly belligerent, laughing about the oil I use and making fun of my Jeep “collection”:

Oh and let me guess. You probably weren’t even using oil designed for flat tappet camshaft engines too! Right? Haha. You were probably using some bullshit oil you bought from a gas station down the road because it was good enough! Right? Or was it the same oil you like to use in all those Jeep Cherokees you have rotting away in your back yard. Yeah. Yeah. I know your kind of people. Those are all the “some day” projects. You know. The projects you’ll eventually get to “some day” after you finally strike it rich with your whimsical writing ability!!! Right??

Well John, I’ll have you know that I use Shell Rotella, which has over 1,110 parts per million zinc — it coddles those flat tappets like a mother coddles a newborn! Plus, I’ve mostly kicked my Jeep hoarding problem!

Let’s keep going:

You sir fancy yourself as a Jeep aficionado but you are not. You’re some clown that buys old Jeeps and parks them in your back yard… or seeing that you’re from Florida… front yard… so you have something to tinker with then write about or make videos about with your buddies to try to make money from with your new stupid website!

What?!

This whole Florida part about a front yard is so absurdly strange that I don’t even know what to say. Who in this situation is from Florida, and what does that have to do with which yard you park your cars in?

Also, don’t call The Autopian stupid! Me? Sure, but not The Autopian. You’ve taken this too far, John! Too damn far! But he goes farther:

Here’s the bottom line dude: You’re just a garbage wanna be journalist out there getting attention for himself to sell merch and making a living. That’s all you are. A pathetic little man with a big stupid mouth.

Is it bad that my biggest concern with the quote above is the lack of parallelism? If you’re going to write “sell” you have to write “make,” not “making.” Parallelism matters!

Anyway, let’s get to the part that seems an awful lot like a death threat:

So this is what I’m going to tell you right now. If I ever run across you in public, I’m going to make sure you never write another thing about an AMC v8 engine ever again. That’s a promise dude.

Now, there’s a chance that by “I’m going to make sure you never write another thing about an AMC v8 engine ever again. That’s a promise dude,” what John means is that he’ll sit me down, and present a slideshow that irrefutably extolls the virtues of AMC V8s — a slideshow that will forever change my view on the engine that I called an “iron menace.” It’s either that, or he plans to injure me in such a way that my writing abilities are severely compromised. Though really, if we’re being honest, this is a death threat.

All this over an article about an engine that hasn’t been in production for over 30 years, by a company that hasn’t existed in over 35 years, and built in a plant that no longer exists! This whole thing is nuts, though I have to applaud the way John concludes, because — like that lede — it’s quite effective, journalistically speaking:

Now if you can please go properly fuck yourself, I’d really appreciate it. You miserable piece of shit. Fuck you!
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Such a strong conclusion.
As alarming and unacceptable as I find this email, as cofounder of this website devoted to championing car culture, I have to admit I’m thrilled by John’s passion for cars. He cares, and that’s what I like to see. Plus, from a sheer content/entertainment standpoint, as far as vitriolic death-threat-containing hate mail, this is a 10 out of 10.
If only AMC engineers had executed their motor as well.

180 thoughts on “Here’s The Unhinged Death Threat I Got For Calling The AMC V8 Engine A Piece Of Shit, Which It Is

  1. If you hadn’t said you’d checked the writer out, I would have suspected Torch wrote this as a prank.

    You probably needn’t worry too much. If the writer is such a fan of the AMC 360, he likely drives a vehicle so equipped, in which case, he’ll never make it to California, much less Michigan.

  2. Car culture can be pretty intense sometimes. John has definitely got some anger issues he needs to work on. There is no defense of sending this type of letter. Hopefully he reads this and apologizes to you.

  3. I happen to have the same name as some a–hole who threw the beer that started “The Malice in the Palace”. I was at home, watching the game, giving my infant son his bottle when it happened – it wasn’t me!!

    Within a day, I got calls from ESPN, all the cable news channels, local news and radio, even a friend who asked “I know you go to the games sometimes, and I know you aren’t much of a drinker, and I can’t imagine that you’d throw a beer, let alone a $10.00 beer, but I GOTTA KNOW….”

    The kicker were the death threats. I thought that it was stupid, but my wife said call the police, and she was right. So I did, and they said there’s nothing they can really do, but maybe send some more patrols around. I asked why, and I was told “because someone could be outside waiting for you.”

    The point is that there are 330 million people in the US, and if only 1 percent have “issues”, you’re still looking at 3.3 million people. And they are crazy enough to spend their time doing crazy things…

  4. If a t-shirt shows up in the Autopian merch store with the words “your article is wrong and you’re a complete dipshit”, I will ABSOLUTELY buy it.

  5. … good fucking gods, somebody needs to get that boy some help. I’ll smack your knuckles with a ruler for doing stupid shit. I will call you an idiot if you insist you can just RTV and JB Weld things back together. And gods know I have strong opinions.
    But Jesus fucking Christ on a pogostick.

    Seriously, anything this completely unhinged is about the point where you very carefully save the email and contact law enforcement.

    1. Damn, and this reminds me of the downfall of a once progressive and humane place to be: Wisconsin. I’m still here and keep up the good fight. The guy who wrote you that letter however is indicative of a segment of the population here. If I had to guess he isn’t from Madison or SE Wisconsin.

  6. Kinda had something like that happen a couple years back on a certain classic car message board. Kept a whole bunch of screen shots in case the old boy was really serious, which, as is common in this day and age of keyboard warriors with anger issues, came to nothing. But one can never be sure.
    I figure the old boy had one too many beers and two too many rusty exhaust bolts rounded off and just had a bad day. I complained to the admin and he brushed me off like “c’mon, serious?”
    Needless to say I don’t go there any more.

  7. As for Kicking that Jeep habit, do you get a coin or a chit for every week or Month that you have not purchased a Jeep/willys/AMC product? Quitting cold turkey might be hard living in the land of less rust, California…… Good luck with that.

  8. I would not worry about the email too much, probably just having a bad day.
    Odds are 9/10 he will not harm you in any way. (-;

    Now you’ve got me wondering if the earlier 290, 343? and 390 engines were made of stronger stuff or if they were all crap fished from the same bowl?

  9. I genuinely can’t imagine getting this opinionated or fired up about any inanimate object, let alone sending out an email like this about it. But I guess when lots of sports fans use the term “we” when referring to their preferred sports team as if they were actually on the field with the players, this kind of allegiance isn’t unexpected. Honestly I’m most surprised by the correct spelling and general lack of grammatical errors in the email.

    1. I love it when people congratulate others for their team winning something, like they had something to do with it. I remember someone congratulating me on the Blues Stanley cup win a couple years back. Yeah…I was excited and all, but all I “contributed” was sitting on my butt, watching hockey

    2. John is exactly the kind of guy who went around spouting borderline racist insults about “ricers” during the import tuner fad of the early 2000s, while puttering around in a busted Cavalier he inherited from a grandparent that turned in their keys.

  10. Did the ghost of George W. Romney get drunk for the first time and then write that to you?

    …. For real though, this is extremly uncool and is pretty clearly a threat (in my eyes). And let’s be honest, the AMC V8 really wasn’t great. My family had a late 70s wagoneer with that in it and it just never ran right, even though we all loved the rest of the car (who couldn’t?)

    1. I also wonder what other specific engine (or engine family) would elicit this type of a response by calling it bad. Maybe you guys should do a contest for the funniest (fake) “defense” of saying a different engine is a piece of shit.

      1. My candidates for engines most likely to infuriate various fandoms:

        Toyota 2JZ-GTE
        Nissan RB26DETT
        Dodge Hemi
        and last but most definitely not least, the Cummins 6BT/ISB.

        A few other good candidates, but I feel like the Ford I6 300 and VW VR6 fans are more likely to acknowledge the flaws than work themselves into a frenzy.

  11. AMC was pretty much the Big 3 we have at home. Javelin was cool, but I wouldn’t have bought one over its competitors other than just to be different; AMX was interesting, but poorly proportioned; the Gremlin X gets points for being funny; and the Eagle was way ahead of its time. Leaving out Jeep, the rest make up a list of Ugliest Car Ever Made candidates and sad Five and Dime (more period appropriate than Dollar Store) also-rans.

    On the 360, when I was in HS in the early ’90s and lesser versions of cars from that era were still affordable or at least aspirational with a slight stretch, everyone knew that as a dogshit motor and it wasn’t because they were just biased Chevy or Ford or Dodge guys, it was because they sucked and cost more to build up only to end up with less. It was cheaper to swap a ubiquitous, superior Chevy engine. I wasn’t alive in the early ’70s, so maybe there was some brief flash of time where that engine was successful, but all I’m aware of is the Trans AM successes, but those cars ran the 390/401, which had a much stronger bottom end than the 360. That guy would be far better served working on what just about anyone can tell are some serious personal issues than distracting himself with irrelevant nonsense.

  12. I reviewed the original article and would just like to point out that inflation is a bitch, as the replacement oil pump housing now runs 305 from the same vendor, no longer 250 bucks. What a shame.

  13. Parallelism problem aside, that’s a remarkably well-written letter for something so unhinged and vitriolic. Thing is, this website is run and frequented by a bunch of amiable goofballs who like automotive oddness. Our shared lunacy simply doesn’t merit such an angry reaction. My hope is that we could argue passionately and then giggle and crack open a beer together because even if we disagree on some things we’re all cut from the same silly delusional cloth.

  14. Wow. Considering the crime-of-passion tone to John’s entire email, I’d say that the guy is, well, “intimately” knowledgeable with the passageway located at “OIL FILTER GOES HERE”. After all, he seemed particularly worked up about proper lubrication use.

  15. Let’s go easy on how you’ve “mostly kicked my Jeep hoarding problem” until there is a period of at least one month where all Jeeps you own are running, have doors, etc. We need to keep in mind the casting off of your good Jeeps in favor of specifically dragging the bad ones halfway across the country. I would even accept all but one Jeep running and roadworthy for at least a month, but the one non-running non-roadworthy Jeep has to be the same one throughout the entire month.

  16. Maybe you could jerk that 360 out of the Golden Eagle and replace it with your garden variety LS. Then as mail the old 360 to this guy as a thank you. If he loves it so much, he should be thrilled.

    1. I could imagine him getting it and as soon as it’s unboxed, putting a blanket around it, caressing it, saying, “Oh! Poor baby, he can’t hurt you any more. Don’t worry, I’ve got plenty of Rislone ZDDP for you, shhhh, shhh…it’s okay.”

  17. Believe it or not, you’re a celebrity, and there are risks associated with that which you may not be really taking as seriously as you should. Although you took some precautions, the house party seemed needlessly risky, and something that an AMC obsessive who can spell could have easily worked their way into. I think you need to take some time to better manage your Parasocial relationships.

    1. You make a valid point. David can speak for himself, but I’m guessing (I might be wrong) that living life in his authentic idiom is more important than an abundance of caution.

  18. Well DT I’m sorry that you had to go through that but I find it ironic that the sender of that email is very much like the AMC 360 V8:

    They both think they are big a powerful but really they both are powerless.
    One just sucks fuel and the other just *Sucks* at being a human.

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