Lots of car journalists found joy in all the build quality issues found on Tesla Cybertruck prototypes, largely because lots of car journalists secretly get a kick out of Elon Musk failing. It’s just reality — Musk is a controversial figure who says a lot of dumb things in addition to all the smart things he says, he tends to have more conservative values than many journalists, and also Tesla fans can be a bit annoying. Still, rooting against Tesla is a foolish endeavor, which is why I never do it and why I’m not at all surprised to see the production-spec Tesla Cybertruck looking so good at the southern California Tesla showroom I visited on Saturday. Here’s a look at all the up-close photos I took of a completely-finished Tesla Cybertruck.
After hearing about Cybertrucks showing up in Tesla showrooms, I called up my local Tesla store and asked if they had the EV brand’s hottest new machine — they did not. But they did tell me that I could find a Cybertruck in Buena Park, about 40 miles away from my place. Somehow I convinced my girlfriend to sit in traffic with me so we could look at a production-spec version of the Cybertruck we’d already seen on the roads (a pre-production mule) and at the Petersen Automotive Museum (just a design-buck, if I recall correctly). It was worth it (for me at least). Here’s a video of what I saw:
The showroom wasn’t packed, but parking was challenging, and it was clear there were still a lot more folks in there than would normally be — after all, this was everyone’s first glimpse of a production-spec Cybertruck (a salesperson confirmed it to be production spec). Folks were standing around taking pictures and chatting about electric cars. The vibes were great.
Let’s get straight to the parts of the Cybertruck that, on the preproduction trucks, drew the most ire from journalists: The tailgate fitment and the A-Pillar-to-cowl/hood fitment. Here’s the tailgate on the black Cybertruck that von Holzhausen drove to that Malibu Cars and Coffee:
And here’s the production-spec truck. Much better!:
It’s not perfect, as you can see in the image below, but it’s decent:
Now let’s look at that A-pillar-to-cowl trim, as well as the hood. Here’s how the Cars and Coffee Cybertruck mule looked:
And here’s the production-spec truck.
It looks mostly OK, though that gap between the fender and that front panel looks a little large and uneven on the passenger’s side:
The driver’s side appears to look better in the photos I took (note that I didn’t notice the difference in person — only when browsing my photos):
Here’s a look at the 285/65R20 (that’s about a 35-inch diameter) Goodyear all-terrain tires:
Here you can see the front steering knuckle; notice how the upper control arm (a bit hard to see, as it’s black) attaches to the knuckle via a ball joint that is located above the tire. This has become relatively common on modern automobiles for a variety of reasons that our suspension engineer Huibert Mees has pointed out here, but the short of it is that mounting the ball joint up high gives that upper control arm a larger moment arm to act against cornering loads (this can provide a number of benefits including reduction of control arm bushing deflection, which can mean less camber change, etc etc):
Here you can see the rear lower control arms, which appear to be stamped and welded steel. Also, under the rear overhang there appears to be a grille for a speaker, presumably for pedestrian protection/alerting:
Let’s have a look at that rear bumper:
Here are a few underbody shots. Things look nice and flat down there:
Here’s the front cooling opening, along with this slit-like headlights, which I quite like:
Here’s a closer look at the lights:
The windshield wiper is unbelievably huge in-person:
Let’s peek at the interior:
Here’s a close-up of the charge-port flap on the rear left fender (I don’t love this location; I think charge ports should be front-mounted, but I understand that it may not be worth the compromise):
Let’s have a close look at a camera on one of the B-pillars:
Under that camera you’ll see a small rectangular piece of glass with fingerprints all over it; I’m fairly sure that’s the door-open switch. Here’s a look at the rear door’s:
Check out the folded triangular-shaped mirror:
What’s the takeaway, here? Well, aside from the gap between the front fender and front fascia panel, the Cybertruck’s fit and finish looks decent from about six feet away (the truck was roped off). What’s more, it looks badass, and not just in the showroom, but on the street; I recently saw one driving towards me in LA, and it looks great! And I’m one of the folks who, upon seeing the truck debut around this time four years ago, nearly vomited. So I’ve fully come around to it, and am certain the Cybertruck will be a massive success.
Do I think it’s going to make for the best work-truck, with its huge sail pillars that make accessing the small bed difficult? No, I don’t. But who cares? Most people buy trucks these days to look cool, and the Cybertruck does that beautifully in my eyes. The first production trucks are to be delivered in just a few days; the floodgates are opening.
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finter 
This thing is pretty much what I expect to see outside on the street when the thought police from the Ministry of Love finally show up to yank my neighbors screaming and crying into the night.
Good!! That’ll teach those smug uppity bastards not to take up all the street parking!
I AM THE LAW
A dumb Q compared to the rest here I’m sure, but do the wheels look better in person?
On screen, they (at least to me) have always appeared to look like glorified versions of wheel covers you’d see on a base model car with steelies. Very 2 dimensional, and kinda seemingly a little at odds with the design.
I don’t hate the Cybertruck’s styling, I like it when automakers try something different even if it makes zero sense and was kind of a bad idea, it’s certainly interesting.
HOWEVER,
I have never seen a less inviting vehicle interior than this one, and that’s coming from someone who regularly browses FB Marketplace for classic car projects which tend to have grody and decaying shredded interiors inhabited by rodents and assorted bugs. At least those still in some way look like a place where life belongs!
The Cybertruck interior is utterly lifeless, cold, clinical, and uncaring. It looks like somewhere they’d put you in a straightjacket if you’re potentially a danger to yourself and others. I feel depressed and anxious just looking at pictures of it. Spending any amount of time in that truck would feel like undeserved cruel and unusual punishment, and the thought of PAYING for that bucket of misery… I’d cry myself to sleep every night if I had to daily one.
And that’s before we even get to the lack of stalks of any kind! This is supposed to be a premium product! The lack of safe, ergonomic, and easy-to-use controls is utterly inexcusable. As I understand it, the steering wheel turn signals aren’t even buttons, they’re capacitive, which is going to be absolute hell to use in the winter. This interior was designed by people who have only spite and loathing for their customers and I hate that they thought this was okay.
That interior completely eliminates any positive feelings I may have had for the Cybertruck, screw that thing, that interior is loathsome and I hate Tesla for trying to normalize this bullcrap on electric cars.
“This interior was designed by people who have only spite and loathing for their customers and I hate that they thought this was okay.”
Well what would you expect the interior of a product inspired by a dystopian future to be then? Soft and fluffy? Friendly? Filled with rainbows and kittens?
LUXURIOUS AS HECK, that’s what! Dystopian futures aren’t bad for the uber-wealthy, and this is a premium product for cryin’ out loud! This is FOR the rich oppressors of the cyberpunk dystopia! Rich oppressors wouldn’t put up with this insult of an interior, they’d fill it with all the gaudy engraved bling and fancy textiles and flashy neon lights and gizmos galore. They’d want something comfortably hedonistic to remind them how much better they are than all the poors. In other words, this should have an interior like the BMW XM. THAT’S a cyberpunk wealthy upper-class premium interior done right.
Came to say this. I agree, for $100k, the interior should feel absolutely first class. I want stuff to look at. I want to be able to push a button to start the seat massagers. Integrated chrome plated intoxalock. You know, stuff like that.
Exactly. I want nice textures, I want friggin’ dragons engraved on ornate gold-plated gewgaws, I want soft and comfy and fun tactile switches and levers activating gimmicks. Tesla loves putting gimmicks in screens, they’re good at coming up with gimmicks, they just need to make the gimmicks aesthetically appealing and activated in entertaining ways rather than hiding them in a loathsome screen. Don’t make a fart mode in the screen, give me a fart lever. If I’m paying $100,000 for a vehicle, I expect to feel like I’m driving a palace. Tesla interiors make you feel like you’re driving a cubicle or a DMV or a dentist appointment and produce the same sense of soul-sucking misery.
You should start this as an aftermarket upfitter business. It would be awesome.
customfartlevers.biz is available
I’d be surprised if it was $100k. My guess is $150-175k.
Yeah, it should be like an old Jaguar, before they became all depressing and German.
Glove soft cream leather on everything, glossy burl walnut trim, think wool carpets, tasteful chrome accents, gauges that look like the faces of an antique Swiss watch, and flowing, organic shapes
Yep, the interior should be the exact opposite of the exterior. Pleasing and inviting. The outside can be minimalist and intimidating, but the interior should make you feel cocooned in a comfortable isolation from the hostile outside world, not bring the outside world’s brutal hostility inside with you.
I have an ’06 XJ8, and the interior is such a nice place to spend time. I need to replace it eventually with a newer one, but you’re right, they lost a bit of that.
This thing isn’t for them. Its for the upper echelon thugs who work for them. This is the vehicle inconvenient commoners are last seen being pushed into crying and screaming.
Transport for the elites -when they travel at all – are plush, ornate hedonistic sedan chairs hefted by scantily clad, carefully sculpted Adonises and Aphrodites. Or maybe chariots pulled by oversized Boston Dynamics dogs.
The elites wouldn’t be seen dead in something like this even if it was a modern Chameleon XLE inside.
And let’s not forget that the Klingons would approve the styling and interior.
KLINGONS NEED TO DRIVE TOO!!!
Needs more red.
We can get some red seat covers from Canadian Tire!
https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/autotrends-core-sporty-leatherette-faux-leather-jacquard-seat-cover-black-with-red-stripes-0324070p.0324070.html?rq=seat+covers#srp
I don’t think those have enough red to make a Klingon happy.
You really don’t want an unhappy Klingon.
How about this?
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71LXOFx4dnL._AC_SL1500_.jpg
Looks too much like a tribble. Klingons hate tribbles. Tribbles make Klingons ANGRY!
Oh shit, now you’ve done it!
> The Cybertruck interior is utterly lifeless, cold, clinical, and uncaring. It looks like somewhere they’d put you in a straightjacket if you’re potentially a danger to yourself and others. I feel depressed and anxious just looking at pictures of it.
Mission accomplished–AFAIK that was the design brief.
It’s not for you (or me), but if there’s one thing they nailed, it’s the cold, uncaring, robotic look and feel they were going after.
Your comment gelled (congealed?) my unarticulated impression of the truck: to me, it’s Brutalism in stainless rather than concrete
Musk isn’t just ‘more conservative’ than some journalists. He’s an anti-semitic, fascist-enabling, conspiracy theory-promulgating, union-busting shithead.
I wouldn’t shed a tear if Tesla failed due to his idiotic behaviors. Not gonna hold my breath, though. The cult seems strong.
Perfectly said. 🙂
He’s also anti-trans and is keeping his babies away from their mother.
Good point; I missed that one out…
Thank you. Really disappointed in The Autopian using this descriptor.
Either avoid the subject (my choice!) or be honest.
Yeah but that’s irrelevant. The Cybertruck will still sell like crazy.
Signed in just to like this comment.
Still can’t wait to hear about the wind noise. I just can’t see how this thing won’t sound like calliope.
I’ll take the die cast version.
Certainly looks better, though not to my taste.
If only they would tempt me with a hot hatch…
Those sharp corners …..those sharp corners…..
This thing is going to absolutely obliterate pedestrians.
If you’re in a Tesla, pedestrians don’t count
Well yeah, how dare they get in the way of progress, travelling by foot like a plebe! It’s what they deserve.
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(/s, for the bottom third of the class)
I don’t doubt for a minute that even at $ix figures, Tesla will sell every single one it can build for the first few years at least. A pal of mine has had his deposit down for years… he drives a Model 3 now (and still has a VW R32). He’s one of the the handiest and smartest guys I know, but of course, beauty is subjective.
It just looks so ridiculous… like a B-movie prop come to life. Which is exactly why so many folks dig it of course. Which is not to say that the electric pickup truck that I’ve had a deposit down on is any better, even it it’s at the other end of the spectrum from the Cybertruck in most every respect (size, vibe, cost). It’s the Telo EV: https://www.telotrucks.com …but as so often happens, it seem like it’ll be more expensive than originally planned. 🙁
Their initial offering, the MT1, boasts the following specs: 0-60 in 4 seconds, 350 miles of range, and 500 horsepower …for about $50K I think. I’m already in a minority (of those who’d even want to drive such a tiny, weird-looking electric truck) but even among that small group, I’m in an even tinier subset who’d much rather have it in half: 0-60 in 8, 175 miles of range, and 250 horses… but also for half the price, so about $25K.
Of course, that’s not how things scale, so me and the three other geeks who want such a truck will remain unsatisfied.
PS: TBH, even 250HP would be overkill. I could live w/a 10 sec 0-60 and for me, 150HP would be perfectly adequate for daily use.
That’s actually really spiffy. The challenge is actually building them. Have any proto mules been spotted yet?
If it can come to market with even 70% of design goals met for under $60k, it will sell like crazy. Honestly, your last sentence sums up my stance. A modern mini truck—even without the configurable cabin—would be quite warmly welcomed
@Loudog and TOSSABL: I dunno if they have any on the road yet… some test mules up in the bay area I presume, but I’m really not sure if any actual customer deliveries have happened yet. When I submitted my deposit a year or two ago, I mentioned that I wanted the least fancy ‘work truck’ version and they said they’d let me know when they started making those… of course, the higher-profit ‘lifestyle’ ones will come first.
Making a single truck that isn’t too obviously flawed doesn’t really change my opinion of a very ugly vehicle in segment that is not really selling as well as anyone thought or hoped. This is going to be an albatross.
It will be my favorite albatross ever if it manages to seriously damage Tesla.
That rear view has me looking for the keypad so I can enter the time it takes to microwave a burrito. Agreed that the fit and finish isn’t shambolic like the prototypes but it still is what it is, which is grotesque. If it did ANYTHING better than another (or every other) truck on the market I’d be sort of okay with it, but it simply doesn’t. Does “bad-ass” make up for the poor cargo capacity and accessibility and dubious off-road ability? Sadly it probably will. I’m sure these will sell as many as Elon can churn out.
Durability has been a big marketing point, we’ll see how durable it actually is, but I expect it to that one thing better than any other pickup on the market.
OK, it’s an improvement, but still looks hideous IMHO. Definitely doesn’t look “badass”, in my estimation, but tastes obviously vary.
Serious question: what’s the deal with posting AutopianTV videos in horrible low-res versions only and not posting them simultaneously on YouTube where we can view them in glorious HD? The photos you posted were fine but the video is a blurry mess.
wow I thought it was my VPN doing something weird with the bitrates, the videos look awful
I’m also certain it will be a massive success.
Like most stuff I can’t stand.
It’s still hideous. But at least it’s screwed together more properly.
The fit and finish look decent on this one.
It will be interesting to see how time treats Tesla.
Stainless steel is notoriously difficult to stamp without variations in each batch that would affect the gaps (with the thicknesses they are likely using).
There is also the fact that the tooling wears quickly with stainless.
I don’t see it ever becoming profitable for them as their recurring costs in manufacturing for tooling will be much higher than regular steel parts.
“Stainless steel is notoriously difficult to stamp without variations in each batch”
Forgive my ignorance, but why would this be?
I’m not being an ass, I’m genuinely curious.
It’s very springy. You end up having to overform it so it springs back to the desired shape.
This leads to small variables such as sheet thickness tolerances, alloy composition tolerances, and the variations between multiple dies for the same part can be amplified with stainless, leading to unacceptable variations between your final parts.
Much of the stainless steel we see on a daily basis doesn’t suffer for a few reasons, but mainly:
– thin sheet stock. Much easier to achieve repeatability. Think the door on your fridge.
– the variations don’t really affect the final product. Two examples: the lid on your barbecue and the gap to the base can accommodate variations without impacting the function or overall look. Second example would be your cutlery. You don’t need all your forks to have the exact same amount of bend between the handle and the tines.
The tooling point is interesting.
Many if not most guitar repair and manufacturing shops straight up refuse to install stainless steel frets because they’re hard on tools and harder to work on in general, even though they’re arguably superior in most ways, for that application.
But car manufacturers deal in steel all the time, so I’d imagine they are equipped for this.
Is the cybertruck different from regular ol’ cars in terms of tooling wear and tear?
Also, how is the body finished? It’s not raw metal, is it?
There’s enough difference between regular steel and stainless steel that all the experience the industry has would not apply for most aspects of working it.
Stainless is a very hard material that approaches the hardness of the forming tools. This means higher wear of the tooling. Worn forming tools typically cannot be reworked and are replaced with new ones, leading to more risk of variations.
As for the finish, looking at pictures, is certainly appears unfinished, with a brush finish from the steel mill. To protect this finish, one common technique is to apply a plastic film to the “good side” to prevent the brush finish from being rubbed away. You can do the brush finish after the forming, but it would be an expensive process.
Thank you for the information.
I’ve seen one in traffic, too, and it made me deeply uncomfortable. The thing just radiates hostility, the apotheosis of the trend toward anti-social design. I hope it marks a breaking point, and fades away fast, but I’m not optimistic about that.
I do prefer a happy car myself.
As much as I don’t hate the styling on the outside of the Cybertruck, the interior design of the Cybertruck is what makes me angry. Even junkyard classic cars with interiors destroyed by mice and moisture look more inviting – at least they still look like somewhere life flourishes. The Cybertruck’s interior conversely looks like it was designed with spite for living creatures. It’s aggressively unwelcoming and even the controls of the truck throw all of the wonderfully ergonomic controls we’re used to out the window in favor of cold and inconvenient screens and capacitive buttons that are not at all pleasant to use at best, and dangerous at worst. It’s an utterly dystopian nightmare, I have a difficult time imagining anywhere I wouldn’t rather be.
Is this you? 😀
I’ve been trying to figure out WHY I hate it so much, but failing to be able to articulate it. You just did it for me, so thank you.
Every time I look at a picture of one of these, I’m reminded of a story from “Unsafe at Any Speed.” Which is actually not all about the Corvair, it turns out. One of the chapters focuses on pedestrian safety. Nader relayed a story of a boy playing catch with his father, when he ran into the fin of a ’59 Cadillac that was parked on the street, and died from his injuries. I can’t help but think these trucks will cause the same kind of injuries.
Crap, I do like the design, but I have to admit that your comment made me realize how much in common this shape has with “hostile architecture”. The car looks like it was made for people afraid of homeless people sleeping on their property!
Like others, this isn’t something I realized I was also subconsciously thinking until you stated it, so thank you for that. I’m one of those people who attribute a personality to vehicles, both from a design standpoint and a usage/modification standpoint – I intentionally did it as a kid and it has become a habit since.
As you and others note, the Cybertruck lacks any kind of warmth of comforting design, inside or out. It somehow looks both menacing and cartoonish, sort of like the automotive equivalent of a Dalek from Dr. Who or a Cylon from Battlestar Galactica. I’m sure there are plenty who will enjoy the design, but I can’t say I am one of them.
Angry eyed jeep guys will love this then.
Curious how these will look after being used. How ding resistant is the stainless steel? Seems like the large slab sides will magnify any imperfections that come with regular use. Are they going to look like used garbage cans the first time you take it to a grocery store or mall parking lot? Look at any aluminum boat, any dock rash, anchor bumps, etc are easily seen and can make a nice boat look like crap.
Stainless steel (depending on the alloy) is quite springy. If it’s thick enough, it should resist little dents quite well.
But this springyness will also make any dents that do form difficult to remove.
Also, um, how… key-resistant will the stainless steel panels be, compared to traditional paint and clearcoat over steel?
I had the same thought after seeing one of these in the wild this weekend. More knowledgeable people have noted that the stainless used in this monstrosity is likely thicker and springier, so perhaps this won’t be as susceptible to dings as a stainless fridge? Once dinged (and oh boy will these slab-sided beasts get dinged!), I can’t imagine how cheap these will look.
Better than the Atowu3jcke or whatever it was.
I agree the charge port location is in the wrong location, especially during the winter months. With all the slush, ice and salt on the roads you will need a jack hammer to get that thing open.
Maybe it comes with a Musk flamethrower to liberate the charging flap.
This reminds me of the 2002 debut of the H2 Hummer — very polarizing and very easy to mark the people driving them.
There are some cars that look great in picture and crap in person. There are some cars that look crap in picture and great in person.
After all these years I’m still waiting to see if the falls into the latter category. I struggle to find that possible —but DT isn’t the only one I’ve read say it has grown on them from multiple in person viewings.
Regardless, it still feels like Musk said “though shalt make this”. And it still feels like a lazy attention grab rather than designing something truly useful/innovative.
Thou shalt make parts with sub-micron tolerances
I’ve yet to see one. There are cars that look like crap in pictures and less crap in person, but I’ve never seen an ugly car in a picture and then thought the real thing was beautiful.
I’m looking at a rolling vandalism target.
I’m just waiting to see how these will look in a few years with a bunch of rust on them.
By the way, won’t these have terrible wind noise, wind whistle due to the sharp angles and large panel gaps?
Wind noise is even more noticeable in EVs.
Tell me mor about how this stainless steel will rust.
You have a point, but not all stainless steel is actually rust-proof in all environments/situations. In my experience, much of it is rust resistant, which isn’t quite the same thing. But I presume other issues will limit the usable lifespan of a Cybertruck long before rust/perforations/structural integrity concerns do.
something something Disruptive Innovation something.
More seriously, I wonder how they’ll look if used ones ever get inexpensive enough to live out their lives as work trucks.
Stainless steel will rust from road salt spray.
As long as it rusts uniformly, might not be so bad – will just end up looking like a rolling UPMC Tower. Speaking of which, maybe Lucid could build their truck out of COR-10
*COR-TEN (or just corten). No numerology involved, but a trademarked abbreviation/portmanteau of its advertised strengths.
Stainless can be contaminated by contact with carbon steel. Which may mean that shopping cart scrapes may rust even if they don’t leave a dent.
I’m quite surprised at how finished it looks, but what I really want to see now is how one holds up after six months to two years of its metal expanding and contracting in the Phoenix, AZ heat, as well as how these look once they really start mass producing them.
Fit and finish look much improved, and it appears that all the body panels match, so much better than what has been presented so far.
It’s still dumb, IMO, but it’s a higher quality of dumb.
Thanks for making the drive to the showroom David, and posting the comprehensive video. I agree that the truck you saw looks better than previous examples, but your comments of “decent” and “passable” in regards to build quality should be concerning to prospective owners.
For what these trucks will cost, that’s not reassuring. It appears that Musk has force-fed his vision on designers and engineers with the Cybertruck, with it’s stainless steel panels and fitment issues.
I agree with you that most buyers for this truck will not be tradesmen but people that are interested in the “coolness” factor. Love or hate the design, the Cybertruck is polarizing and will generate attention out in the public.
I think Tesla has launched cars with worse fit and finish, and the company’s customer-base remains infatuated.
As it sits, the Cybertruck is good enough, and given Tesla’s history of rolling manufacturing improvements, it’ll get better before you know it.
I still refuse to consider a Tesla product until they put turn signal and wiper stalks back in them.
Serious question: is Tesla the EV Harley-Davidson? H-D has an incredibly loyal customer base that is willing to overlook the product’s flaws. The product itself is technically sub-standard in a couple very apparent ways, but the ecosystem surrounding the product is unmatched. And the product itself pulls market-leading margins and depreciates minimally relative to the competition.
And like H-D, Tesla seems too arrogant to change. That works now, but when real competition shows up with a better product and a more compelling mass-market pitch (Honda in the 80s with H-D, probably BYD or the Big Three sometime in the next decade with Tesla), that arrogance could royally hose them.
I think Tesla’s product remains at the top of its classic, from a technological standpoint.
The gap is sure to shrink, though!
The technology under the metaphorical hood is world-class, agreed. Assuming competitors catch up there, you have a product with a pretty terrible user experience (interiors with the same desirability as the Severance floor at Lumon) and mass-market appeal that’s diminished by the product’s association with its most hard-core fans.
Just like Harley-Davidson.
Honda motorcycles showed up with world-class engineering, a good user experience, and mass-market appeal and proceeded to give H-D a properly-needed ass-kicking. I’m hoping someone does that to Tesla. Not because I want Tesla to fail, but because that sort of competition should make the whole industry, including Tesla, start producing better products.
Oh, that is a really interesting comparison! I do think Tesla has one real and meaningful advantage over their competition though, and that’s its charging network. If you want to own an electric car, that is a genuinely compelling reason to ignore literally everything else about the cars, the company, and man leading it, and buy one of those cars.
I’ll be over here driving my old shitboxes instead.
There is some definite validity to the comparison you’ve drawn though. It’s good food for thought.
I think I’ve been watching too much FortNine videos this weekend as well. Harley is definitely front of mind right now.
HA! They make some good videos!
“If you want to own an electric car, that is a genuinely compelling reason to ignore literally everything else about the cars, the company, and man leading it, and buy one of those cars”
Why buy a Tesla if the Tesla network is going to be available to other makes too?
Also a fair question, but it remains to be seen if the Tesla network will work as well for other brands as it does for Teslas. To this point their network has only had to work with their own cars, so this will be a whole new batch of technical problems for them to sort out. It may be fine, but it may not be. Time will tell. These are still very early days in the EV world. I’m not much of an early adopter.