As you know, every now and then we try and help solve some vehicle identification mysteries to find cars (and their drivers) that have done terrible things, like hit-and-runs. This time, there was a hit and run around Fairfax, Virginia that took the life of a woman on December 27. The only evidence of the car that struck her are some headlight fragments, so that’s what we, the Autopian community, have to go on. This one is tricky, but we may as well see what we can do.
The crash happened at the intersection of Huntsman Boulevard and Bridle Wood Boulevard, around 8:00 pm. The damage to the car may be limited to damaged headlamp. Speaking of, let’s look at what the fragments look like:
Crash detectives are asking for the community’s help from the Dec. 27 fatal pedestrian crash on Huntsman Blvd. The broken pieces of a headlight (below) were collected from the scene. Believed to be driver's side headlight. (1/2) pic.twitter.com/gzpqgNNBDw
— Fairfax County Police (@FairfaxCountyPD) February 2, 2024
There’s really not much there: a few pieces of clear lens plastic, unfluted and mostly untextured, and what appears to be a side marker reflector, likely from inside the composite headlamp unit the other plastics once helped to form.
So, what could this be from? That amber reflector would likely have been oriented more vertically/diagonally, and there appears to be at least one piece with a nearly 90° corner, but with the corner rounded off.
Here’s the pictures of the parts individually:
So, what could these pieces be from? It’s suspected to be from a driver’s side light unit. So far, I’m stumped, but if there’s any collection of car geeks with any chance in hell of figuring this out, it’s this group right here.
Please guess and discuss away in the comments! Perhaps we’ll hit on something, and help get justice. If you want to connect directly to Fairfax Police, you can get them through here.
It’s definitely an Avenger lamp cover, and the corner shown in the lower left of the X image is the diagonal corner at the rear of the lamp on the fender.
This sort of thing makes it even cooler to read Autopian. Great work.
Amazing work Autopians!!!
Hey Autopians, I’m looking for skeptics to poke holes in my theory that, not only was the vehicle a Dodge Avenger, but it was this exact 2013 Dodge Avenger R/T, which showed up at Copart on December 28th and appears to have the exact parts missing on the driver’s side: https://www.copart.com/lot/82033543/salvage-2013-dodge-avenger-rt-mo-springfield
I checked the VIN report and, while it was last titled in Missouri but originally purchased in Hanover, MD, which is very close to Fairfax. Before I go all Nancy Drew on this, somebody poke holes in this. I don’t want to waste the police’s time if this is a silly idea.
I just submitted this info to the tip line. I figure they’ll determine pretty quickly if it’s nonsense and if it helps them in any way it’ll be worth it.
Thats crazy
The only major hole in this is the timing- what’s a plausible reason it could have ended up on Copart only 1 day after the accident occurred? If it was totaled by insurance it would have taken longer than one day. But it’s possible it already had a salvage title at 200k miles, although it would be more likely rebuilt. The perpetrator is an insurance adjuster? Seems like a very low probability.
Also, even more salient is the fact that Springfield, MO is a 15 hour drive from Fairfax. So unless your date is wrong, or they literally drove straight from the scene of the crime to the Copart lot, it seems highly improbable.
I know that you’re probably right – it’s very unlikely. But, hopefully, the really valuable information is the make and model. Anything that might help them catch someone who hit a 63-year-old pedestrian and drove off would be great.
I’m not sure what astounds me more. That you may have found THE car, or that est. value is stated as $6,100.
That includes the value of the seat covers, too.
It’s not the right one, I’m afraid. I did a little Photoshoppery and the pieces from the Fairfax crash appear to be quite a but bigger than what the Missouri car is missing from its driver’s side headlight. I’m sending the police an update on my tip just to save them the time but also for more detail on the part.
Amazing work.
Did you know a dollar bill makes an excellent reference object when talking a photo and you don’t have a ruler handy?
Lots of fine detail and anyone in the USA can easily get one to take measurements from.
Amazing how fast you guy found this, bravo!
I am fascinated and impressed by the knowledge, fortitude and commitment of the posters here who have identified possible vehicles in these scenarios. There’s no way I could have done it, although this time, since I have seen a Dodge Avenger of that vintage that my sister-in-law’s brother got during Cash for Clunkers, it may just be that I blocked it out.
Having said this, I do implore management to avoid the temptation of sending out a “reader engagement” team to, um, create some interest in areas with large numbers of pedestrians. If for no other reason, see what you’d be up against.
Perhaps I am stupid but I thought that the US gov had a database of all these things just like they do with paint types. I can’t believe we have AI that can give us Taylor Swift humping but we can’t use it to identify vehicle light fragments.
There are a lot fewer databases aggregated in .gov records than you would think.
Like, the old TV trope of “dental records?” Actually not used all that commonly, because you’ve gotta figure out where your presumably unidentified individual went to the dentist first, and then ask that dentist to break out the last set of X-rays.
Likewise, vehicle components may have been reviewed by a regulating body, but critical information (like engineering dimensions) is not searchable in any relevant way.
Well there’s CODIS for one:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_DNA_Index_System
Nice thing about DNA is its in just about any biological sample. Even if your particular bad guy isn’t in CODIS there are other, similar systems a relative or even an animal might be in:
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-12-08/man-in-the-window
https://www.nonfictionminute.org/the-nonfiction-minute/snowball-the-cat-that-convicted-a-killer
Thanks to the Snowball case Promega developed a cat specific DNA profiler, the Meowplex:
https://www.promega.com/resources/profiles-in-dna/2002/the-meowplex-a-new-dna-test-using-tetranucleotide-str-markers-for-the-domestic-cat/
From that now we have much more sophisticated kits for other animals as well, mostly for establishing pedigrees but also searchable by cops working a case.
https://dnamyhorse.com
https://www.chewy.com/wisdom-panel-premium-breed/dp/397019?utm_id=401602796&msclkid=54d779af8ab71557f1371c6f563f5d01&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Shopping_NC_All_SSP&utm_term=4584757336258276&utm_content=All%20Products
DNA databases are pretty easy to search quickly and automatically. I’m not up to speed on all the databases out there but I can see such forensic systems existing for almost any living thing.
As I recall this lack of real-world databases was covered in Superbad
Could they put it next to a ruler? Or an Internet-standard banana?
This is definitely from a Dodge Avenger. I had a 2008 and I recognized it as soon as I saw the pictures, especially the lip that has the angled lines. The pictures of the lens are upside down and may be throwing some off.
So, it took what? 2ish hours for this group to essentially solve this riddle?
I’ve been impressed with my fellow Autopians since the beginning. The level of knowledge and humor, added with the effort needed to maintain a welcoming and civil community cannot be matched.
But this, this is next level. You guys are awesome.
If they solved it, I haven’t seen confirmation I am amazed as well. My contribution would be I think it comes from some type of car maybe Amish buggy. Truly many members here are amazing.
I haven’t seen any confirmation either, but the circumstantial evidence for the Avenger is pretty solid.
I agree with our more knowledgeable members. If you asked me I would have had to say probably from some sort of automobile. Like many of my posts not wrong but not particularly helpful.
2004-12 Nissan Titan had a side piece like that too.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/70AAAOSwQ4xiGIwO/s-l1600.gif
This feels Nissan/Infiniti to me.
The corner is too round.
Yeah. I posted that before I saw the Avenger one.
Maybe an Infinity FX35 or FX45. Look at the amber insert here:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/w5AAAOSwbs5gQqAa/s-l1600.jpg
that doesn’t have the squared-off edge that this has as far as i can tell.
Dodge Avenger?
https://www.amazon.com/CarLights360-Headlight-Certified-Replacement-CH2502194/dp/B07PR7YTCT
that looks similar to me. https://www.ebay.com/itm/325541615634
Yours is the best fit so far.
https://www.oraclelights.com/cdn/shop/products/8102-001_C_700x700.jpg?v=1705522788
https://images-stag.jazelc.com/uploads/theautopian-m2en/piece_marker.jpg
It could be, good catch.
It has the lines in the clear part of the lens too. That’s it.
I posted it on Discord too.
Front left, obviously.
So 2008-14 Dodge Avenger, left side, yes?
I agree, the lack of any texture on the clear part says Avenger to me. Or maybe another CDJR product?
This is a good answer, the glass has the 90 degree angle and the marker looks like a perfect match.
I think you found it. It definitely screams Chrysler product as I was looking at the aughts Dodge Charger
I concur. You absolutely nailed it. Nice work!
These hit and run fuckers really need fear The Autopian.
We will avenge her.
Seeing dimensions of that corner marker lens would be helpful, as well as flipping over the remnants of the headlight lens… side marker dimensions so one can try matching visually…. seeing the remnants of the lens flipped would help try to establish contours and shape of the front of the lens. My guess as to age of the car would be 2009 or older given the degree of fade, and Euro or Asian, given the lack of lens fluting–leading me to think either the beam pattern is set by the reflector, and that it’s not a projector headlight, given its size.
The FX45 Infiniti one I linked to fits 2003-08. So that would be appropriate.
Theres a reason I carry a pair of photography scales(one with black markings on a white background and the ither the inverse) when I’m on duty, but unfortunately I’ve never met another officer that does.
One dollar bill in the photo works great.
Most of the stuff I find is small enough that the scale marks under 1 cm are helpful. Bindles of drugs, loose fentanyl pills, microSD cards filled with gigabytes of porn, etc. Supervising sex offenders can lead to some unpleasant evidentiary finds.
If you look at the amber lens carefully under a magnifying lens, there are probably production numbers somewhere on it that could be helpful in identifying its origin.
My initial thought was a Lexus LS430, but I’m not sure if the orange lens is quite that shape
W212 E-Class, 2010-2013?
Could the clear flat plastic be one of those clear license plate covers?
Are we sure that both pieces are from the same car? It seems weird to have such simple clear glass and such a stylized reflector shape..
The clear plastic was probably covering the reflector.
I’m thinking Cadillac art and science
I thought that too, the closest I’ve found is a 2008-ish SRX, it has a similar orange piece and enough flat clear plastic to be a viable option but without dimensions of the orange part it’s hard to tell..
This might be a stupid question, but is there a part number molded into the reflector?
7 x 10 inch piece of mostly flat clear plastic is highly unusual. Obviously this unfortunate person was the victim of another rogue European-spec Citroen SM.
The intact amber lens looks a lot like late model Hyundai Sonata side marker lights, but without a scale it’s hard to tell.
It also kinda of looks like a Santa Fe side marker, but the glass shape doesn’t make sense.
The lack of any identifying marks on the intact amber plastic lens isn’t helping. The lack of yellowing but cloudiness on the clear fragments tells me this isn’t a very new car.
This will be a tough one for sure.