I’ve been eager to see cars in all kinds of miserable conditions in my time here on this car-filled planet we call Earth, but I think the highest ratio of crappiness to urge to see a particular car happened when I was in a little town called Esquel, in the Patagonia area of Argentina. I was on a Mini-sponsored trip that would eventually take me all the way to the southern tip of South America, but at the moment this picture was taken, I was simply thrilled to be in physical contact with a car I never expected to see in person: an IES 3CV America.
Well, I guess if I’m really honest, what I’m seeing in person there is like 70 to 85% of an IES America, but that’s good enough for me. I’ve always been fascinated by these cars for a number of reasons. First, because they’re basically Citroën 2CVs, a car that’s been one of my favorites since, well, forever. But what I find really fascinating about these is the bizarre and pleasingly half-assed way IES (which stands for, in case you were wondering, INDUSTRIAS Eduardo SAL-LARI S.A.) attemped to update the archaic 2CV design into the 1980s.
The 3CV America was introduced in 1986, and featured a number of pretty dramatic changes to the basic 2CV design. One big one was that instead of a trunk lid, a real, full-length hatchback was installed, making the car significantly more practical. You can see here on the one I saw how the hatch is now hinged above the rear window, where the rubber opening roof meets the metal of the hatch: 
The only evidence on this one are some holes where the headlights and grille would have gone, but the whole front end was updated as well.
All the plastic bits are gone on the one I saw, but back in the day, this car’s face would have looked like this:
Look at that! Square headlights in plastic bezels, sort of integrated into the fenders! A black plastic grille, and a big black bumper with integrated indicators and sidelights! It’s so modern! And look at how modern the dash became:
Holy crap, all that textured black plastic and rubber, those tweedy seats, all those indicator lights – this feels like a car of the ’80s! I will admit, I’m not entirely sure what was different in the Super America versions; I do know the cars had electronic ignition on the old Citroën air-cooled boxer twin engine, and I suspect there were other subtle modernizations. Also there are Ferraris named “Super America” too, so try not to get confused.
Here’s a nice one seen on video, so you can get the full sense of how much they tried to update these:
There’s something about the slapped-on nature of the ’80s-looking elements on this incredible iconic and archaic basic design that really appeals to me, in a deeply confusing way. I can’t say it’s exactly successful, but I can say I love it, so I think that’s good enough.
I’m so taken by these, I was genuinely thrilled to find that one, even in its incredibly rough and unfinished state. I’d like to think it’s been restored now, and is happily bopping around Argentina, running over ex-Nazis and eating nice thick steaks.
It’s funny how with the updates, the finished car has a small ’80s quirkiness that still works.
I love that the fenders still have round headlight cut outs, they didn’t change the stamping, just grafted the plastic square headlights on! similar to the Jeep Grand Wagoneer of the 60’s-80s where they changed the grill but the stamping stayed the same
I love that the fenders still have round headlight cut outs, they didn’t change the stamping, just grafted the plastic square headlights on! similar to the Jeep Grand Wagoneer of the 60’s-80s where they changed the grill but the stamping stayed the same
The biggest change from the 2CV that I see here is the conventional gearstick. I had a 2CV when I was a student in the 1990s and it had a gear lever that stuck out horizontally from the dashboard. To get it to change gear you had to push, pull, and turn the lever in ways that I don’t remember now.
That 2CV was so light that it once keeled over onto its side when my wife was going round a roundabout. Passersby helped her push it back upright onto its wheels, and off she went again. We learned that when we went to the supermarket (which meant navigating several roundabouts) we should always put the shopping bags on the floor of the car to keep the center of gravity low.
Also, the canvas roof once got ripped off by the slipstream of a moderately sized truck on a highway.
I’m not sure I would want to own another one. I’ve got staid in my old age.
Dang. Good that nobody was hurt! Guessing that the 2CV must’ve rolled up onto a curb and tipped over or went into a gutter & then rolled over or something was seriously messed up in the suspension system? While I have yet to drive a 2CV (it’s on my bucket list, ha) I’m given to understand that the 2CV is famously and extremely difficult to actually tip over (unless one does a rapid reverse J-turn):
https://youtu.be/fTE4Y_mDM50?si=pFN2TmGaiqsLET19 where they do succeed in tipping a 2CV but *only* by attempting the aforementioned reverse J-turn.
https://youtu.be/mcfVIicLidc?si=Qj-wXYIXrbk4XdNg where they put a 2CV Fourgonette through some remarkable and truly ludicrous maneuvers without tipping over at Goodwood.
https://youtube.com/shorts/Uct2jsNfYFI?si=hcN5dTRtp0kOLwwg where the presenter mentions that Citroën was so confident that they offered to give anyone who flipped a 2CV a new one for free and that he doesn’t know of any case of that ever happening.
Also guessing the canvas roof was already in tough shape when it got ripped off by the wind from the truck? I’m reminded of how when I was growing up convertibles were extremely common and how I knew people who would wait to replace their ragtops until they started getting ripped off at highway speeds or by the wind from passing trucks, lol. Yeah, the region where I grew up wasn’t exactly flush with cash. To save money people would order new ragtops from the Sears mail-order catalog. And I would see the occasional convertible driving around sans any canvas but with the convertible top frame still in place, rather an incongruous sight especially if it was something desirable such as an Oldsmobile 4-4-2.
Ha, yeah, can’t blame anyone for wanting uneventful transportation in their old age, lol. On one hand there’s something to be said for the adage that life is too short to drive boring cars and on the other hand it could be said that life is too short to be worrying about dealing with the vagaries of driving vintage cars…
The best (heh) part were the seats. Either spongy polyester or faux leather look perforated vinyl that made you sweat like a pig. Zero padding. Sitting three side by side in the back seat meant some poor kid had to sit in the middle and straddle the steel bar that made up the seat structure.
The biggest change from the 2CV that I see here is the conventional gearstick. I had a 2CV when I was a student in the 1990s and it had a gear lever that stuck out horizontally from the dashboard. To get it to change gear you had to push, pull, and turn the lever in ways that I don’t remember now.
That 2CV was so light that it once keeled over onto its side when my wife was going round a roundabout. Passersby helped her push it back upright onto its wheels, and off she went again. We learned that when we went to the supermarket (which meant navigating several roundabouts) we should always put the shopping bags on the floor of the car to keep the center of gravity low.
Also, the canvas roof once got ripped off by the slipstream of a moderately sized truck on a highway.
I’m not sure I would want to own another one. I’ve got staid in my old age.
Dang. Good that nobody was hurt! Guessing that the 2CV must’ve rolled up onto a curb and tipped over or went into a gutter & then rolled over or something was seriously messed up in the suspension system? While I have yet to drive a 2CV (it’s on my bucket list, ha) I’m given to understand that the 2CV is famously and extremely difficult to actually tip over (unless one does a rapid reverse J-turn):
https://youtu.be/fTE4Y_mDM50?si=pFN2TmGaiqsLET19 where they do succeed in tipping a 2CV but *only* by attempting the aforementioned reverse J-turn.
https://youtu.be/mcfVIicLidc?si=Qj-wXYIXrbk4XdNg where they put a 2CV Fourgonette through some remarkable and truly ludicrous maneuvers without tipping over at Goodwood.
https://youtube.com/shorts/Uct2jsNfYFI?si=hcN5dTRtp0kOLwwg where the presenter mentions that Citroën was so confident that they offered to give anyone who flipped a 2CV a new one for free and that he doesn’t know of any case of that ever happening.
Also guessing the canvas roof was already in tough shape when it got ripped off by the wind from the truck? I’m reminded of how when I was growing up convertibles were extremely common and how I knew people who would wait to replace their ragtops until they started getting ripped off at highway speeds or by the wind from passing trucks, lol. Yeah, the region where I grew up wasn’t exactly flush with cash. To save money people would order new ragtops from the Sears mail-order catalog. And I would see the occasional convertible driving around sans any canvas but with the convertible top frame still in place, rather an incongruous sight especially if it was something desirable such as an Oldsmobile 4-4-2.
Ha, yeah, can’t blame anyone for wanting uneventful transportation in their old age, lol. On one hand there’s something to be said for the adage that life is too short to drive boring cars and on the other hand it could be said that life is too short to be worrying about dealing with the vagaries of driving vintage cars…
The best (heh) part were the seats. Either spongy polyester or faux leather look perforated vinyl that made you sweat like a pig. Zero padding. Sitting three side by side in the back seat meant some poor kid had to sit in the middle and straddle the steel bar that made up the seat structure.
If I ever owned a 2CV or its later variants, I’d paint/decal it to look like a massive snail.
Then make it into an 11-second 1/4 mile or faster EV conversion with a tubbed out rear end and back tires at least as fat as a fat lady’s thighs(the latter part of this sentence is a Snow Crash reference, for those wondering).
I love weird, French cars.
If I ever owned a 2CV or its later variants, I’d paint/decal it to look like a massive snail.
Then make it into an 11-second 1/4 mile or faster EV conversion with a tubbed out rear end and back tires at least as fat as a fat lady’s thighs(the latter part of this sentence is a Snow Crash reference, for those wondering).
I love weird, French cars.
As a previous owner of two 2CVs and one Dyane, I am pleased to see this 3CV design is about one third Dyane (integrated headlights and the hatchback) and two thirds 2CV (the rest…) 😀
Here 2CV (1948) and Dyane (1968) together in one shot:
https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/classic-car-reviews/french-bred-2cv-dyane-and-a-day-in-the-french-countryside/
IIRC both the Deuche and the Eyane coexisted for decades, for some reason.
Just like with the (old) Mini and the Metro: The original outlived the replacement 😉
As a previous owner of two 2CVs and one Dyane, I am pleased to see this 3CV design is about one third Dyane (integrated headlights and the hatchback) and two thirds 2CV (the rest…) 😀
Here 2CV (1948) and Dyane (1968) together in one shot:
https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/classic-car-reviews/french-bred-2cv-dyane-and-a-day-in-the-french-countryside/
IIRC both the Deuche and the Eyane coexisted for decades, for some reason.
Just like with the (old) Mini and the Metro: The original outlived the replacement 😉
But did you leave a note on the windshield, Jason?
But did you leave a note on the windshield, Jason?
Black plastic and rubber. Are sure this isn’t the S&M model.
Black plastic and rubber. Are sure this isn’t the S&M model.
Those car were common back in the 80s, here in Argentina. They were a complete redesign of the 2cv, with a different chasis inspired in the old Lotus elan or europa. Industrias sal-lari bought the remains of citroen argentina when they left the country in the 70s and started to build the IES 3cv under licence. More interesting than the Súper América are the pick UP versión, called Gringo, and the Suv with all wheel drive, called Gringa.
Those car were common back in the 80s, here in Argentina. They were a complete redesign of the 2cv, with a different chasis inspired in the old Lotus elan or europa. Industrias sal-lari bought the remains of citroen argentina when they left the country in the 70s and started to build the IES 3cv under licence. More interesting than the Súper América are the pick UP versión, called Gringo, and the Suv with all wheel drive, called Gringa.
I’d be down to ride that red car. Throw some large chrome bucket headlights in there, ziptie an e30 kidney grill in between, and you got yourself a goin ta town rig. Everybody would smile & wave—and you’d be fairly safe as it’s high-visibility
I’d be down to ride that red car. Throw some large chrome bucket headlights in there, ziptie an e30 kidney grill in between, and you got yourself a goin ta town rig. Everybody would smile & wave—and you’d be fairly safe as it’s high-visibility
Ford Pickup: You don’t look like you’re from around here.
IES 3CV: Oui.. I mean, Yes. I am typical American car.
Ford Pickup: You don’t look like you’re from around here.
IES 3CV: Oui.. I mean, Yes. I am typical American car.
Not quite an IKA Torino — one of my bucket-list cars to own — but cool nonetheless. If nothing else, it proves you can’t improve on 2CV Perfection. Unless you have a 2CV Sahara, that is.
Fun Fact: many years ago, I needed to find replacement tail light lenses for my ’53 Kaiser (which is another story). When I found a new-in-box pair, they came from Argentina. Kaiser production continued there for quite a few years after the U.S.operation shut down in 1955.
IKA Torino! I share the love for them. Still have the ’62 or ’63(?) Hot Rod Magazine that laid out the new OHC Willys motor that later went– in various forms– into those gorgeous cars.
Tornado FTW. And three sidedrafts. And a heck of a lot of power by the time they ended production.
Love them.
IIRC, there were Torino ads featuring Fangio’s endorsement. And they were raced, too, apparently with some success.
Not bad for what was basically a Rambler American!
They were so successful when they debuted in Turismo de Carretera that they scored a 1-2-3 in their first race in 1967. They are still raced, in two guises: as a tube cage wrapped in modern stuff with only the roof resembing an original Torino, and as a completely new development imagined, designed and built by Argentine designers. I’m writing an article on that.
Not quite an IKA Torino — one of my bucket-list cars to own — but cool nonetheless. If nothing else, it proves you can’t improve on 2CV Perfection. Unless you have a 2CV Sahara, that is.
Fun Fact: many years ago, I needed to find replacement tail light lenses for my ’53 Kaiser (which is another story). When I found a new-in-box pair, they came from Argentina. Kaiser production continued there for quite a few years after the U.S.operation shut down in 1955.
IKA Torino! I share the love for them. Still have the ’62 or ’63(?) Hot Rod Magazine that laid out the new OHC Willys motor that later went– in various forms– into those gorgeous cars.
Tornado FTW. And three sidedrafts. And a heck of a lot of power by the time they ended production.
Love them.
IIRC, there were Torino ads featuring Fangio’s endorsement. And they were raced, too, apparently with some success.
Not bad for what was basically a Rambler American!
They were so successful when they debuted in Turismo de Carretera that they scored a 1-2-3 in their first race in 1967. They are still raced, in two guises: as a tube cage wrapped in modern stuff with only the roof resembing an original Torino, and as a completely new development imagined, designed and built by Argentine designers. I’m writing an article on that.
Sometimes, it feels like things are written just for me. Earlier this week a friend’s daughter went to Peru, and she is sending back pictures of all the French cars we don’t get here. In response I found your old article about the “southern most” junk yard in the world to send. she actually was disappointed that she’s in a different South American country now.
I was in Peru almost 10 years ago, back when I was in college. The amount of unfamiliar cars on the road was fascinating. Almost every taxi at the time was either an old Corolla wagon, or in smaller towns, tiny little Russian cars called Ticos. Handful of new Yarises in more popular/touristy areas. As an air-cooled VW guy, I was also thrilled to see so many Beetles on the roads. One morning I stepped out of our hostel to find the 6 of the 10 cars in the parking lot were Beetles. I spent a lot of time riding in my now-ex’s aunts car, a Kia Picanto. It was a perfectly acceptable, practical, form of transportation. Amusingly, I did see one street parked MKV GTI in Lima, the same car I owned at the time.
“…tiny little Russian cars called Ticos.”
Tico was produced by Daewoo in South Korea and exported to Perú where they were very popular as taxicabs (I hated them and refused to ride in one). So, they’re not Russian.
Someone probably told me that while I was there, and I never bothered to check to see if that’s where they actually came from, lol. I rode in several (just around the smaller towns in the sacred valley, mostly) and I loved seeing how their owners customized them.
Sometimes, it feels like things are written just for me. Earlier this week a friend’s daughter went to Peru, and she is sending back pictures of all the French cars we don’t get here. In response I found your old article about the “southern most” junk yard in the world to send. she actually was disappointed that she’s in a different South American country now.
I was in Peru almost 10 years ago, back when I was in college. The amount of unfamiliar cars on the road was fascinating. Almost every taxi at the time was either an old Corolla wagon, or in smaller towns, tiny little Russian cars called Ticos. Handful of new Yarises in more popular/touristy areas. As an air-cooled VW guy, I was also thrilled to see so many Beetles on the roads. One morning I stepped out of our hostel to find the 6 of the 10 cars in the parking lot were Beetles. I spent a lot of time riding in my now-ex’s aunts car, a Kia Picanto. It was a perfectly acceptable, practical, form of transportation. Amusingly, I did see one street parked MKV GTI in Lima, the same car I owned at the time.
“…tiny little Russian cars called Ticos.”
Tico was produced by Daewoo in South Korea and exported to Perú where they were very popular as taxicabs (I hated them and refused to ride in one). So, they’re not Russian.
Someone probably told me that while I was there, and I never bothered to check to see if that’s where they actually came from, lol. I rode in several (just around the smaller towns in the sacred valley, mostly) and I loved seeing how their owners customized them.
As a former 2CV owner (1979 rectangular headlight model) that looks all kinds of weird.
Is that a floor mounted shifter instead of the umbrella shifter? So weird.
The Super America variant included a 4 to the floor, eliminated the narrow flap below the windshield to enlarge the later, used electroinc ignition and replaced the old ladder frame chassis with a cental tube one, like a Lotus Europa.
I liked the windscreen slot, it gave you something to see through while you drove along waiting for 602cc of air cooled engine to demist the screen.
Tru dat.
Renault did the same with the R5 – early ones had a dash-mounted umbrella style but they quickly went to a floor shifter.
As a former 2CV owner (1979 rectangular headlight model) that looks all kinds of weird.
Is that a floor mounted shifter instead of the umbrella shifter? So weird.
The Super America variant included a 4 to the floor, eliminated the narrow flap below the windshield to enlarge the later, used electroinc ignition and replaced the old ladder frame chassis with a cental tube one, like a Lotus Europa.
I liked the windscreen slot, it gave you something to see through while you drove along waiting for 602cc of air cooled engine to demist the screen.
Tru dat.
Renault did the same with the R5 – early ones had a dash-mounted umbrella style but they quickly went to a floor shifter.