Welcome to another Shitbox Showdown! If you’re a fan of subtlety or understated elegance, I’m afraid today’s choices might not be your favorite. These things are about as subtle as a bouncy castle. But if you like to stand out in a crowd, they might be just the ticket.
Yesterday’s long and short ads for long and short cars was a fairly close vote, but in the end the Mercury Manifesto won the day. I think a lot of us who have bought or sold things online, no matter the platform, can relate to the Mercury seller’s frustration. I know I got a chuckle out of that ad, and it sounds like a lot of you did, too.
But for me, as far as the cars go, I have to go with the Hillmans. Neither of these projects is ever going to be a perfect show car, but the shiny blue Minx looks like a path of lesser resistance to something presentable, and that’s all I’m after. I’m a big fan of the “twenty-footer.”
You’ll see (and most likely hear) today’s contestants from a lot further away than twenty feet. They’re both little Japanese “tuner” cars, both far more garish than they were when they left the showroom, but you’ll be happy to hear that they both run and drive. Let’s see which flavor of crazy suits you better.
1997 Honda Civic – $4,990
Engine/drivetrain: 1.6-liter overhead cam inline 4, five-speed manual, FWD
Location: Miami, FL
Odometer reading: 96,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives great
Right up front, I have to admit that I’m a fan of this car’s paint job. It looks well-thought-out and well-done, and I like the style. It reminds me of one of the old “cel-shaded” Jet Set Radio games, which I was a huge fan of. We’ve seen this style before if you remember correctly, and I liked it then as well.
I have no idea what trim level of Civic this is, since that badging didn’t come along on the trip to Toon Town, but I’d guess it’s a garden-variety DX or LX. And I’d be surprised if the mechanical modifications go beyond bolt-on stuff. These Civics are more or less LEGO sets at this point, with all the interchangeable parts, so it’s hard to tell. The seller does say that it runs and drives well and that everything works, so whatever modifications were done were seemingly done properly.
The alterations continue inside as well, and I’m impressed that whoever built this car went to the trouble of replacing the back seats as well as the front. Of course, it has the requisite short-throw shifter and quick-release steering wheel. The door panel puzzles me; why remove the stock Civic panels? I admit I don’t know this scene very well, but is there a reason to ditch perfectly nice interior panels and replace them with whatever the hell that is?
I could do without the basket-handle rear spoiler and fart-cannon exhaust, but I guess they come with the territory. I can forgive it, though, for that unique and striking paint job. Some of you are going to hate it, I know, and that’s fine; we’re all friends here, even if you’re wrong.
1993 Mazda MX-5 Miata – $5,000
Engine/drivetrain: Turbocharged 1.6-liter dual overhead cam inline 4, five-speed manual, RWD
Location: West Hollywood, CA
Odometer reading: 219,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives fine, but can’t be registered in California
Now this is a car I know well. I owned a 1991 Miata for eight years and took it apart so many times that I don’t think there was a single part I didn’t touch except the engine internals. That little 1.6-liter engine is just such a trooper – as long as you are careful to avoid the cracked crankshaft nose problem – that I never had to touch it. 237,000 miles and it ran like a top. But for some, the little 1.6 is just not enough power. Enter the aftermarket turbocharger.
These turbo kits have been around nearly as long as the Miata has, and everyone who has ever owned one, including me, has thought about it at some point. This seller actually did it, however, and didn’t stop there: it has an even bigger turbo, an aftermarket ECU to take advantage of it, an intercooler, and a host of other modifications. They also upgraded the brakes and suspension, and then, to top it all off, painted the whole thing bright purple.
Unfortunately, though the car wears Texas plates, it now resides in Los Angeles, and some of the modifications don’t have the all-important CARB seal of approval, so the car can’t be registered in California. It does run and drive well, and the seller says he drives it once in a while to keep the juices flowing. He suggests it might make a good track toy, but that really limits its appeal. To me, the two options are either take it back out of California or dial back the mods.
Cosmetically, it’s only okay. It has a body kit that’s not in great shape, and the interior looks more or less stock, and a bit grubby. It does, however, include the coveted factory hard top, finished in the same Grimace hue as the rest of the car. With NA Miata values now approaching truly ridiculous levels, I guess a modified but not trashed example like this isn’t a terrible buy.
As much as we all say “we want colorful cars,” there is a place and time for subdued vehicles. You probably don’t want to be the parent rolling up to the school pickup line in something that gives off the same vibe as Dooby’s Taxiola. But small, fun, cheap cars should be canvases for self-expression, and bright paint jobs are a great way to start. You’re not going to blend in, but you’ll definitely be remembered. Which one of these colorful characters does it for you?
(Image credits: Craigslist sellers)
Civic. Being a man in my 40s, I would look ridiculous driving this car. This is a car for the youths (although, I think I would have felt too old for this car when I was 16). While I acknowledge this car is ridiculous and juvenile, I would say it is ridiculous and juvenile in a good way. I love the paint job. It looks like it would be fun to drive. Again, I would look silly driving this thing, but darker window tint could fix that. Or a paper bag over my head. Or a Richard Nixon mask. Anything to obscure my identity would be adequate, really. I want to drive this car, but I don’t want to be seen driving this car.
I also like the Miata. An Miata in presentable condition for $5,000 seems like a decent deal. The turbo is a plus since I live in the free world and don’t have to deal with communistical emissions inspections. I’m concerned about how much it is modified, though. This thing could be a nightmare to fix when something inevitably goes wrong. I also don’t like pop-up headlights. If this car had fixed headlights and was closer to stock, I probably would have voted for it.
I’m 50 and I picked the Civic. And I too would look ridiculous driving it… and I’m fine with that. I actually like that paint job too. The only thing I would change is to reinstall a stock door card for the driver’s door.
If disliking the Honda’s paint job is wrong I don’t wanna be right. Give me the purple people eater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jV-E09efRE
If disliking the Honda’s paint job is wrong I don’t wanna be right. Give me the purple people eater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jV-E09efRE
Why do I feel like both of these have an extra “0” in the price? I *might* be tempted at $499 or $500, but no way would I consider these prices. But… If I have to choose… Miata Is Always The Answer
Why do I feel like both of these have an extra “0” in the price? I *might* be tempted at $499 or $500, but no way would I consider these prices. But… If I have to choose… Miata Is Always The Answer
The interiors of both of these are non-starters for me. I’m young enough to want the performance and love the look, but old enough to want some comfort at the same time.
In the end, convertible always wins in my book.
The interiors of both of these are non-starters for me. I’m young enough to want the performance and love the look, but old enough to want some comfort at the same time.
In the end, convertible always wins in my book.
Miata because I love a convertible and when I finally get tired of it, it will be a lot easier to sell than the Civic due to the multi-colored paint. I can appreciate what they did with it, but that paint job greatly reduces the pool of likely buyers.
Miata because I love a convertible and when I finally get tired of it, it will be a lot easier to sell than the Civic due to the multi-colored paint. I can appreciate what they did with it, but that paint job greatly reduces the pool of likely buyers.
Went with the Civic. The only thing I REALLY don’t like about are the door/rear-seat cards being removed..but I doubt you’re going to struggle to find any and re-fit them.
Miata could work in a state that has similar rules to CA, if you register it as a Classic Vehicle and aren’t peeved at the typical 2500 miles-a-year rule.
Went with the Civic. The only thing I REALLY don’t like about are the door/rear-seat cards being removed..but I doubt you’re going to struggle to find any and re-fit them.
Miata could work in a state that has similar rules to CA, if you register it as a Classic Vehicle and aren’t peeved at the typical 2500 miles-a-year rule.
Miata, because purple is cool and Oklahoma could not give a rat fart in a high wind about vehicle inspections.
Miata, because purple is cool and Oklahoma could not give a rat fart in a high wind about vehicle inspections.
My dad had an NA Miata and since he’s a larger fella I always joked that he looked like Magilla Gorilla when he drove around with the top down. That car is long gone now, he needs another one.
My dad had an NA Miata and since he’s a larger fella I always joked that he looked like Magilla Gorilla when he drove around with the top down. That car is long gone now, he needs another one.
I love that Civic.
I love that Civic.
The Miata looks like it is far more livable as a normal car. The Civic with no door cards….can you even open the window anymore? I suppose the button or crank is there somewhere?
I’d also rather have Grimace purple than whatever that Civic is wearing. The Miata is probably easier to “dial back” as well
And the Civic is not an EX because they had sunroofs, I don’t see a sunroof.
I disagree on the paint, but the other issues you point out are why I vote Miata.
It’s likely a DX, although it could be a HX. Coupes didn’t come in the LX flavor.
The Miata looks like it is far more livable as a normal car. The Civic with no door cards….can you even open the window anymore? I suppose the button or crank is there somewhere?
I’d also rather have Grimace purple than whatever that Civic is wearing. The Miata is probably easier to “dial back” as well
And the Civic is not an EX because they had sunroofs, I don’t see a sunroof.
I disagree on the paint, but the other issues you point out are why I vote Miata.
It’s likely a DX, although it could be a HX. Coupes didn’t come in the LX flavor.
To no one’s surprise, I will have the Miata. There are currently 3 turbo Miatas in my possession, why not a fourth?
To no one’s surprise, I will have the Miata. There are currently 3 turbo Miatas in my possession, why not a fourth?
IF, and this is a big if, the Miata comes with the hardtop, and that hard top is an OEM unit, it’s an easy win, because in this day and age, an OEM NA/NB hardtop (they’re identical) are worth 1500 at a minimum so long as they have glass and latches, and without cracks, generally 2k+ regardless of the paint. Add in the cost of a turbo kit and other associated mods, even if you hate every single one, used OEM parts are cheap, and this thing could be brought entirely back to stock and you could probably make some money back in the process by selling off the aftermarket parts, or you could fix the few little things for less than the sale price of the hard top and have a heck of a Miata for around 5k.
The ad says it’s an OEM hardtop (not that ads are always accurate, of course). It got my vote because you are right about the value proposition here.
This was my thought. Sell off the junk questionable mods to recoup some funds and then enjoy the rest.
And as a former NA owner and member of some NA Miata facebook groups, there are a LOT of people that would snap up every tacky body kit piece in a heart beat, and used OEM pieces aren’t expensive or hard to source, assuming you’d want a respray anyways since the paint and body seems to be rough.
Indeed. I don’t hate the purple, but it looks to be one of the “amateur painted in his garage” quality.
Not to mention the obvious body damage on the drivers door where the approach to prep was “lol no, just paint the dents” but the car seems to have been maintained mechanically should the seller be believed which is a huge plus in my eyes.
Oh, I missed that! Yikes, that’s a lot of dents.
The purple reminds me of a Chevy Suburban I picked up a couple decades ago that was supposed to be blue with hints of purple seen when viewed at the right angle. The seller had no idea to apply a multi-stage paint, so it ended up the inverse: purple with hints of blue. I wonder if that happened here too?
Yeah, with the prices these are getting now, the Miata looks like it could be worthwhile to return to stock (at least if one does much of the work themselves, which they should as these are simple cars) and a lot of it could be done in stages with the car as a runner. (Which I find keeps my motivation up to finish. Something unusable tends to get forgotten as my ADD brain comes up with new projects in the interim.)
IF, and this is a big if, the Miata comes with the hardtop, and that hard top is an OEM unit, it’s an easy win, because in this day and age, an OEM NA/NB hardtop (they’re identical) are worth 1500 at a minimum so long as they have glass and latches, and without cracks, generally 2k+ regardless of the paint. Add in the cost of a turbo kit and other associated mods, even if you hate every single one, used OEM parts are cheap, and this thing could be brought entirely back to stock and you could probably make some money back in the process by selling off the aftermarket parts, or you could fix the few little things for less than the sale price of the hard top and have a heck of a Miata for around 5k.
The ad says it’s an OEM hardtop (not that ads are always accurate, of course). It got my vote because you are right about the value proposition here.
This was my thought. Sell off the junk questionable mods to recoup some funds and then enjoy the rest.
And as a former NA owner and member of some NA Miata facebook groups, there are a LOT of people that would snap up every tacky body kit piece in a heart beat, and used OEM pieces aren’t expensive or hard to source, assuming you’d want a respray anyways since the paint and body seems to be rough.
Indeed. I don’t hate the purple, but it looks to be one of the “amateur painted in his garage” quality.
Not to mention the obvious body damage on the drivers door where the approach to prep was “lol no, just paint the dents” but the car seems to have been maintained mechanically should the seller be believed which is a huge plus in my eyes.
Oh, I missed that! Yikes, that’s a lot of dents.
The purple reminds me of a Chevy Suburban I picked up a couple decades ago that was supposed to be blue with hints of purple seen when viewed at the right angle. The seller had no idea to apply a multi-stage paint, so it ended up the inverse: purple with hints of blue. I wonder if that happened here too?
Yeah, with the prices these are getting now, the Miata looks like it could be worthwhile to return to stock (at least if one does much of the work themselves, which they should as these are simple cars) and a lot of it could be done in stages with the car as a runner. (Which I find keeps my motivation up to finish. Something unusable tends to get forgotten as my ADD brain comes up with new projects in the interim.)
I’ll take the Miata. Better chance of un-uglying it and still having a riot of a car. Miles are a bit concerning BUT it’s a Miata…
I’ll take the Miata. Better chance of un-uglying it and still having a riot of a car. Miles are a bit concerning BUT it’s a Miata…