You know how, in life, some things are just stupid? Perhaps there are justifications or reasons that can explain something, even explain it well, but in the end, it’s still just kind of, you know, stupid? I think you must know that, existing here on earth the way you do. Our friends over at Land Rover have gifted upon the world a whole new bit of stupid for all of us to enjoy and revel in: the upper rear side design of the Land Rover Defender 130 Outbound, specifically the windowless rear quarter areas. These, I’m afraid, feel deeply stupid, and I’d like to share why that is with you.
First, I should explain just what the Defender 130 (that’s the longest of the three — 90, 110, 130) Outbound is, because not all of us have the luxury of spending all day on the Land Rover Defender configurator. The Defender Outbound is based on all the features of the Defender 130 X-Dynamic SE, but adds a number of extra features for roughly $5,000 more than the Defender X-Dynamic SE:
• 20″ Stle 5095 Gloss Black wheels
• Carpet Mats with Cargo space rubber flooring
• Body-colored Exterior Panel
• Cross vehicle beam in Stain Black Powder Coat finish.
This is also a five-seater, as it does not offer a third row, instead giving that area over to cargo space. That also may be some of the motivation behind the feature I put in boldface at the top of this article — the one I think is stupid, that Body-colored Exterior Panel. You can see it here, where it stands out better in a lighter color:
Essentially, that panel replaces the rear quarter window that normally takes up that spot. Hey, is that image faked? It looks like from the inside you can see a rear side window that shouldn’t exist? Huh. Whatever.
That in itself isn’t necessarily stupid; window-less panels replacing windows is a Known Thing in the automotive world. But it’s how they did it that irks me, because it’s like this:
Several of you asked me what’s behind the blanked out body color rear panels of the Land Rover Defender Outbound I’m reviewing and here’s your answer. One of you mentioned this to me and made me look early on. I can’t remember who but thank you for pointing it out originally! pic.twitter.com/6r9RhQlp9w
— Zerin Dube (@SpeedSportLife) June 2, 2024
See that? The plastic panel there is just stuck right on the glass window. There’s something just sort of…maddening about this approach. Like, I understand why you may not want a window back there, but the fact that the window is there, the glass and rubber and adhesives and integrated AM radio aerial, all there in that heavy, relatively expensive glass, and then it’s covered over with a plastic panel, well, that just feels… stupid.
I mean, most of the time when a rear quarter window like that needs to be eliminated on the cheap, it’s done something like this, usually on small wagon or hatchback van conversions:
Sometimes you see the indent where the glass would have gone had they wanted a window there, but they didn’t so, no glass. In the case of that HHR you can see where they made a whole modified stamping that didn’t include the window punch-out at all. The others seem to just fill the empty area with sheet metal.
These seem like the right way to go about this kind of change: no waste, no needless weight or cost or installation steps for something whose entire purpose – transparency – will be defeated.
So why did Land Rover choose to do it this way? I asked our own Real Car Designer, Adrian Clarke, and he confirmed my suspicions: it’s cheap and fast. It’s cheaper and quicker than re-designing a panel or even changing the production process to include the option of installing a metal filler panel instead of the glass on the line. Sure, money is being wasted on the window and the installation of the window, but that’s a problem for future Land Rover, not present Land Rover!
Also, he noted the AM radio aerial was integrated into the rear quarter glass, so I guess they’d have to design and incorporate that all-important bit of equipment, too.
These explanations certainly make sense; I get it. I see why they did it, it all sounds reasonable. I guess. But I just can’t shake the feeling that designing and engineering a window only to cover it up with plastic just feels…wrong, still.
Even on the other versions of the Defender that has rear quarter window glass, they can’t help but sticking a little opaque panel there, for style reasons, like how we once wore onions on our belts. Maybe they just can’t abide a big, unbroken expanse of glass, and need to obscure it? I don’t know.
[Ed Note: I’d just like to add this:
That is all. -DT]
What I do know is that if I owned one of these, every time I’d go crawling around on that rubber mat in the rear cargo area and saw that useless glass hanging out senselessly on the sides of my Land Rover, it would irritate the crap out of me.
Am I alone here? Does this bother anyone else, on some vague, conceptual level? Feel free to rant about this, or me, or both in the comments!
Perhaps it’s some sort of tribute to their country mates. Add darkness!
Also, you need to hide your food from the bears when/if you ever drive too far from the mall.
Perhaps it’s some sort of tribute to their country mates. Add darkness!
Also, you need to hide your food from the bears when/if you ever drive too far from the mall.
Discussions with internal JLR personnel many moons ago just prior to its launch, they implied it was to house (hide) a first aid kit internally, and offer a protective pane on the outside for mounting of unique accessories (like that stupid ladder-thing)
I think it’s daft af.
Discussions with internal JLR personnel many moons ago just prior to its launch, they implied it was to house (hide) a first aid kit internally, and offer a protective pane on the outside for mounting of unique accessories (like that stupid ladder-thing)
I think it’s daft af.
If they made it removable, it wouldn’t bother me, but as it is, it’s stupid.
If they made it removable, it wouldn’t bother me, but as it is, it’s stupid.
I don’t know, kind of reminds me of the Chevy Astro RS, maybe Land Rover just needs to offer some fun tape stripe packages.
I don’t know, kind of reminds me of the Chevy Astro RS, maybe Land Rover just needs to offer some fun tape stripe packages.
Oh, and you know what’s even more annoying? Those glass windows that are over solid sheet metal that you can’t see through. Explain me that Batman.
Oh, and you know what’s even more annoying? Those glass windows that are over solid sheet metal that you can’t see through. Explain me that Batman.
“Body-colored Exterior Panel”
That’s funny, i just went out to check and all my cars have Body-colored Exterior Panels. Thats so annoying, I want the exterior panels that are not body colored.
I actually had a car like that once.
https://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/.a/6a00df351e888f8834013488f55511970c-400wi
“Body-colored Exterior Panel”
That’s funny, i just went out to check and all my cars have Body-colored Exterior Panels. Thats so annoying, I want the exterior panels that are not body colored.
I actually had a car like that once.
https://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/.a/6a00df351e888f8834013488f55511970c-400wi
i have worked for an automotive company doing stampings and assembly. The dies for a seat pan would be over $2000000 to develop and purchase. The maintenance costs were also astronomical, so they always went to the manufacturer and try to get something approved that would commonize between the assemblies. I can’t imagine what it would cost for something like a die for quarter panel. This info all comes from the tooling guys, as my job was in IT.
i have worked for an automotive company doing stampings and assembly. The dies for a seat pan would be over $2000000 to develop and purchase. The maintenance costs were also astronomical, so they always went to the manufacturer and try to get something approved that would commonize between the assemblies. I can’t imagine what it would cost for something like a die for quarter panel. This info all comes from the tooling guys, as my job was in IT.
Yes, it’s stupid, especially if it’s just there for aesthetics. The RAM Promaster City and the Ford Transit Connect did it to get around the Chicken Tax, so they had a good reason for doing so, but this is more like an old AMC Gremlin, where the only reason for a huge blind spit was “looks” and saving a few pennies.
One maddening thing about the chicken tax is the waste created to get around it. Like when Ford had to import fully assembled Transit Connects then convert them to a commercial model by discarding the seats, windows (that were plugged), etc.
They did at least build them with cheaper seats with thinner padding than what was actually sold to the public, but, still
Yes, it’s stupid, especially if it’s just there for aesthetics. The RAM Promaster City and the Ford Transit Connect did it to get around the Chicken Tax, so they had a good reason for doing so, but this is more like an old AMC Gremlin, where the only reason for a huge blind spit was “looks” and saving a few pennies.
One maddening thing about the chicken tax is the waste created to get around it. Like when Ford had to import fully assembled Transit Connects then convert them to a commercial model by discarding the seats, windows (that were plugged), etc.
They did at least build them with cheaper seats with thinner padding than what was actually sold to the public, but, still
The funny thing is the original Defender 110 had windowless station wagon version using real metal panels. The bolt together construction of classic Landrovers meant they could simply use Defender 90 Hardtop parts.
My brother’s 110 only has two doors, and a windowless hardtop covering the entire back.
To which he’s added after-market widows
The funny thing is the original Defender 110 had windowless station wagon version using real metal panels. The bolt together construction of classic Landrovers meant they could simply use Defender 90 Hardtop parts.
My brother’s 110 only has two doors, and a windowless hardtop covering the entire back.
To which he’s added after-market widows
Reminds me of this:
https://www.theautopian.com/i-cant-decide-if-this-jaguar-v6-made-from-blanking-off-two-cylinders-from-a-v8-is-genius-or-just-lazy/
Jaguar/landrover is the ultimate cheapskate car company. Wich is hilarious because i bet a lot of Scrooge Mcduck’s buy them!
Nahh people like Warren Buffett drives a hail damaged Cadillac. Besides Scrooge Mcducks would realise how much it cost to maintain them. That’s why Lexus ES sell so well. People who want to flex subtly would go for Mercedes wagons (take a look at where they have ads eg Doctor journals etc, it is fascinating to see where Mercedes put print ads on their wagons).
I feel non-enthusiasts aside, Land Rovers sell to the same crowd that buys Mercedes G-Wagens – the important thing to them is that you see that they have a lot of money.
I know a guy who leased a G-Wagen so that he would appear to be wealthy and successful.
Fortunately, most people don’t over-extend themselves to try to look good to other people; at any rate, practically no one cares whether a person driving down the street might be wealthy or not.
Life clue: those who appear to “have money” often do not, and those who actually are wealthy are often not ostentatious about it.
Reminds me of this:
https://www.theautopian.com/i-cant-decide-if-this-jaguar-v6-made-from-blanking-off-two-cylinders-from-a-v8-is-genius-or-just-lazy/
Jaguar/landrover is the ultimate cheapskate car company. Wich is hilarious because i bet a lot of Scrooge Mcduck’s buy them!
Nahh people like Warren Buffett drives a hail damaged Cadillac. Besides Scrooge Mcducks would realise how much it cost to maintain them. That’s why Lexus ES sell so well. People who want to flex subtly would go for Mercedes wagons (take a look at where they have ads eg Doctor journals etc, it is fascinating to see where Mercedes put print ads on their wagons).
I feel non-enthusiasts aside, Land Rovers sell to the same crowd that buys Mercedes G-Wagens – the important thing to them is that you see that they have a lot of money.
I know a guy who leased a G-Wagen so that he would appear to be wealthy and successful.
Fortunately, most people don’t over-extend themselves to try to look good to other people; at any rate, practically no one cares whether a person driving down the street might be wealthy or not.
Life clue: those who appear to “have money” often do not, and those who actually are wealthy are often not ostentatious about it.
With the panel van version of the Vega wagon to steel panels were held in place with rubber gaskets, just like the windows.
Which made perfect sense and would have been an inexpensive stamping. When we wanted a wagon to become a panel we painted the inside of the glass. Since I already kinda scoff at Land Rover drivers, the plastic panel deal just adds an additional light layer of scoff.
With the panel van version of the Vega wagon to steel panels were held in place with rubber gaskets, just like the windows.
Which made perfect sense and would have been an inexpensive stamping. When we wanted a wagon to become a panel we painted the inside of the glass. Since I already kinda scoff at Land Rover drivers, the plastic panel deal just adds an additional light layer of scoff.
Stupid stuff like this is keeping Doug Demuro busy with his ‘quirks and features’ videos.
I suppose, with the proliferation of cameras and blind spot monitors, not having a window to see through isn’t a big deal. But it’s still stupid. Perhaps it’d be a little less stupid if they made the panel removable.
It is still a nice looking off-roader, though.
it’s like a “brush guard” for the giant flat piece of glass.
Cameras? I don’t need any rear windows at all if i’m driving a vehicle with both side mirrors.
Stupid stuff like this is keeping Doug Demuro busy with his ‘quirks and features’ videos.
I suppose, with the proliferation of cameras and blind spot monitors, not having a window to see through isn’t a big deal. But it’s still stupid. Perhaps it’d be a little less stupid if they made the panel removable.
It is still a nice looking off-roader, though.
it’s like a “brush guard” for the giant flat piece of glass.
Cameras? I don’t need any rear windows at all if i’m driving a vehicle with both side mirrors.
Good eye catching that. It’s a render, but certainly not faked. The plastic panel on the other side has fallen off already, certifying this as a true Land Rover.
Or rusted through
As much as we make fun of them, the British automotive industry certainly has achieved some amazing things, one of which undoubtedly must be plastic that will rust.
And electrical systems that leak.