The 2025 Toyota Crown Signia is part of a new era for the manufacturer. Gone are the Avalon sedans and Venza SUVs, and in their place is a single brand name: the Crown. The Crown is Toyota’s longest-running nameplate worldwide at roughly 70 years old, but to a lot of U.S. buyers, it’s new.
The Crown Signia doesn’t just demonstrate Toyota’s commitment to the Crown nameplate in America, it also continues to give us a look into our hybrid- and SUV-laden future.
[Full disclosure: Toyota flew me out to San Diego to drive a bunch of cars on an off-road course and street routes. Toyota provided travel, accommodations, and food. I had a chocolate milkshake with sprinkles. -AK]
What Is the Crown Signia?
The Toyota Crown brand will be a family of cars, kind of like how the Ford Mustang is now a muscle car and an electric SUV. In the Crown family, “Signia” is just a fancy way to say “SUV.” The Crown sedan came first, replacing the Avalon. Now, it’s time for the Crown Signia to take the Venza’s crown.
The Signia is the Crown family’s first SUV, featuring a 240-horsepower, hybrid-only powertrain and all-wheel drive on all models. Toyota describes the Signia as having a “long, sweeping roofline, monochromatic grille, and wide front and rear fenders,” which was enough to make a few auto journalists optimistically toss the term “wagon” around at the drive event.
Toyota only has only two available trims for the Crown Signia: the XLE (which starts at $43,590 base, plus fees) and Limited ($47,990 base, plus fees). Standard features include leather-trimmed seating, the Toyota Safety Sense 3.0 driver-assistance suite, a 12.3-inch infotainment touchscreen, a heated and telescoping steering wheel, and more. Toyota says the Signia can tow up to 2,700 pounds.
Toyota mentioned during a walkaround of the car that the higher base price and limited options are meant to make building and purchasing the car easier. If people have what they need and can drive off the lot without waiting for another car with a tiny spec-sheet difference, Toyota can move more cars and have fewer sitting around.
The Signia’s hybrid powertrain is not a plug-in, which means the car’s battery charges while it drives. While a plug-in hybrid like the RAV4 Prime gets 42 miles of electric-only range, the Signia’s EV mode is limited to low-speed driving — basically, if you’re gliding around a parking lot, you can do so solely electrically. If you accelerate much past that, the gas motor kicks on.
Like the new Toyota Camry, which is also hybrid-only, the Crown Signia’s all-wheel drive system sends power to the rear wheels through a dedicated rear electric motor, providing additional traction when you need it, while the electric motor-assisted gas engine powers the front wheels.
Let’s look at the Crown Signia’s basic specs:
- Price: $43,590 (XLE trim) and $47,990 (Limited trim) plus fees
- Engine: 2.5-liter four-cylinder
- Transmission: Electronically controlled continuously variable transmission (eCVT)
- Drivetrain: Standard electronic on-demand all-wheel drive (AWD)
- Horsepower: 240
- Fuel Economy (mpg): Manufacturer-estimated 39 city, 37 highway, and 38 combined
- Body Style: Five-seat crossover
- Curb Weight: 4,210 pounds
What It Looks Like
The three most striking parts of the Crown Signia’s exterior, in my opinion, are the long roofline I mentioned earlier, the nose, and the headlights. The nose is different because it goes against the “make the grille as big as possible” trend we’ve seen for a long time now, instead wearing a body-colored nose panel with diamond-shaped holes.
The headlights follow the Toyota lineup’s new “hammerhead” front end, where the hood lines, grill, and lights combine to look like a hammerhead shark. The lines blend elegantly and give the Toyota lineup a recognizable face, but I’m still not in love with that face yet.
What About the Inside?
The Signia’s interior is pleasant but conservative; itdoes not take risks with interior design and materials choices like, say, modern Hyundais and Kias do. It’s livable but unmemorable in standard trim, but makes a stronger impression with the optional panoramic glass roof that makes the car feel spacious and airy inside.
There’s also plenty of rear legroom. I’m 5-foot-8, and with the passenger seat scooted far back, I still had about 5 inches between it and my knee. The rear cargo space (24.8 square feet with the panoramic roof and 25.8 without) is massive – I could get my entire body inside and roll around.
Rear passengers get USB-C charging ports and seat heaters, but they don’t have their own climate controls. Front passengers have wireless Apple CarPlay and a 12.3-inch screen, which is a nice size and easy to use.
I wish the buttons under the infotainment screen were fancier — they’re plasticky and dull — but I liked the two-tone caramel and black interior my Crown Signia had. It made the conservative styling more interesting, and the little bronze accents (like the dashboard trim and door handles) made the inside feel elegant.
How It Drives
The Signia drives like a nice commuter car, but it’s still a commuter car. There’s not a lot of wind noise at high speeds, and road noise varies. On less rough surfaces, the sound of the radio can easily cover the noise. On rougher ones, I noticed during my short drive some amount of drone.
The engine also drones around 55 mph, and the car feels billowy at high speeds on tight, squiggly roads. It felt like a lot of weight transfer in the corners, a feeling that made me slow down for stability reasons. (I don’t think this is a terrible thing. As cars in general get more capable, I’d actually prefer people not drive faster than they’re capable of due to false confidence.)
The steering wasn’t too light or too heavy, and both the steering and pedals responded well to inputs. The pedals weren’t squishy or light; they had good tension without being heavy.
The most important part, though, is the hybrid system. Toyota is going all-in on hybrids, and while I think the company should make more fully electric models, hybrids are the perfect cars for current American infrastructure. They allow people to lightly transition to electrification — and get better fuel economy — without experiencing the range anxiety or general uncertainty they would with full EVs. That creates a lower barrier to entry for electrification, exposing more people to it and slowly moving us toward a more electric society.
A non-plug-in hybrid system like the Signia’s is even more friendly; buyers don’t have to change anything about their daily lives or relationship with their car in order to use it, yet they still get the benefits of hybrid driving and the limited EV-only mode.
Conclusion
If Crown Signia shoppers have never driven or owned a hybrid or fully electric vehicle, the “hybrid-only” moniker might scare them at first. The terms “hybrid” and “EV” come with the connotation that the car owner has to do something new and different — plug the car in — but I think having volume-sellers like the Camry and Crown Signia offered as hybrid-only (note: The Venza was also Hybrid only) is a step forward for all of us.
Popular hybrid-only models make gas-car buyers more comfortable with the future, and show them the benefits the electric future provides. I wrote more about that in my Camry review, so I won’t bore regular readers by saying it all again.
The Crown Signia does a lot of things right. It looks decent, drives well, has quality materials, and it continues to push our country as a whole to be more comfortable with electrified vehicles. Is it particularly exciting? No. But does it do the job, well and in style? Yes. That’s all most car buyers need, and it means this car will be a hit. At least, when compared to the Venza it replaces.
I Also Drove The 2025 Toyota Crown Signia, And It Seems Promising
Thomas Hundal here. I, too, have driven the new Toyota Crown Signia, and I have thoughts. Like the generous grandparents with kind smiles who gift their grandkids $100 bills every Christmas, or the first songbird you see as the calendar flips around to spring, its image can do no wrong. It’s supposed to be a moderately sumptuous two-row crossover for well-heeled yet grounded empty-nesters, and you know what? It does more than alright on that front.
The 2.5-liter four-cylinder hybrid powertrain is plenty potent enough to keep up with traffic and indulge in the occasional overtaking maneuver. Suspension tuning, a hit-or-miss proposition on many mainline Toyotas, is effortlessly settled. Stereotypical Quebec pavement fails to perturb the chassis beyond the occasional hushed murmur making its way through the sound deadening, even as the cornfields start to blur.
In addition, the JBL premium audio system goes properly loud, there’s loads of space for people and their things, the centre console accommodates pack rats, wind noise is generally hushed, and the front turn signals just look sharp. In fact, the whole vehicle does. Add in the perfectly toasted caramel textiles wrapped around the door cards and dash trims, and you get a package that could tempt people away from the current Lexus RX because it just feels like a more thoughtful experience. This isn’t a Toyota Outback, it’s something else entirely.
Nits to pick? Sure. There are some on every car. If you like a low driving position and have long legs, the Crown Signia isn’t the car for you. Try as I might, I simply couldn’t get comfortable behind the wheel. In addition, the digital gauge cluster is rather busy, and the steering wheel-mounted controls for the stereo, cluster, and driving assist systems must’ve been arranged by Jackson Pollock. Thankfully, there’s still a volume knob, and that’s all you really need. Oh, and the panoramic moonroof doesn’t open despite being a two-panel design. Strange, that.
Still, minor quibbles aside, the Toyota Crown Signia is the sort of car a small group of people have been craving for years. First-generation Venza owners will have a collective orgasm when they realize how thoroughly and utterly pleasant the Crown Signia is, and how it fulfills all of their wishes. It’s a handsome, well-crafted, surprisingly economical, utterly composed midsize hybrid crossover without any snob factor. It’s a nice thing that doesn’t lord its status as a nice thing over others.
Now, will the Toyota Crown Signia forge a strong presence among the crossover extravaganza that is the current Toyota lineup? While models like the RAV4, Highlander, Grand Highlander, and even the weird Crown sedan likely won’t see a ton of cannibalization, you can’t help but get a strong sense that Toyota will sell every Crown Signia it sends to North American dealerships. It’s a Toyota crossover, people will buy it regardless, but it helps to know that it’s on a mission to satisfy.
While I am definitely not the market for this thing, I have to say that my fellow Canadian really has the best literary descriptions in vehicle reviews. Even mundane family haulers are interesting to read about through your eyes, Thomas.
Also, why is there no clip of Alanis doing her token trunk test?
“Videos of girls being put in car trunks” is a special membership level. You get a pretty interesting drawing from Torch, too.
That seems like a google search that ends up with you on watchlists. I’ll stick to the written reviews.
Wait, so which came first, Alanis’ trunk tours, or Alex on Autos’ Trunk Comfort Index? (Which he sadly does not do anymore.)
As I don’t know who the latter is, I don’t have an answer.
Well this is underwhelming. I say that as someone who was fired up for the idea of a Crown wagon (although not really a “wagon” I guess).
I can’t say this enough, but enough with the piano black trim. I guess this is better than the useless black trim piece on the doors of the Crown that assure I’d only consider buying one in black, but it still isn’t good.
The brown interior is a plus. Toyota seems to keep those to as few cars as possible, when brown is a superior color. Bonus of they offer the Crown’s excellent looking cloth.
I don’t get the limited functionality sunroof. I want a sunroof in my next car, I miss having one, but it is so I can open the roof. If it can’t do that…not sure why it is there.
I guess I’d have to drive one to see if the materials, comfort level is worth the scratch. Otherwise, I am wondering why I don’t spend my $45k on a RAV4 Prime that appears to be similar enough in size.
And when listing the price of a Toyota, be sure to add the pile of port installed junk that seemingly every Toyota is saddled with these days. $2k worth of floor mats, “door edge guards”, USB cables and wheel locks. All the stuff that used to collect dust in the dealer parts department is now apparently installed by Toyota on the sticker.
Never mind if you are shopping in the Southeast and get to swallow the extra $1k in BS Southeast Toyota adds to each car. Or my local dealer that claims to sell at MSRP but adds $1500 for an “appearance protection package” and window tints. Guess who I don’t want doing my window tint? Whoever the car dealer hires to do it.
Dimensions have this nearly identical to a V90, Toyota may not admit it, but this is a wagon.
Wagons are low key coming back as the in-between option. My parents’ Niro is about 2 inches taller than their Accord and barely has more ground clearance. They classify it as a crossover and even threw on a little cladding for good measure, but come on. That’s a wagon.
I’ve always looked at the niro as more of a hatchback. It’s very similarly sized to a golf I think, it might be bigger but they look very close to me.
The rear door is more upright than what you see on a modern hatchback, but it’s not like an old school longroof wagon where you can fold the rear seats and load up 8 foot long materials without going between the front seats. I don’t think those will ever make a comeback sadly.
Fair. I forgot there was a second gen Niro, the first gen is the only one I have ever examined up close.
Love the usrenaem.
V90: 195″L × 75″W × 58″T
Signia: 194″L × 74″W × 64″T (based on prototype)
Same footprint, but 6″ taller. It’s a much closer match to the Honda Prologue, Blazer EV, and (to a lesser degree) Polestar 3… are we calling those wagons, too?
(Edit: genuinely asking, not a rhetorical question)
Oh that’s my bad, I googled dimensions for the Crown Signia and didn’t notice it was listing the specs for the normal Crown at 61″, the V90 is showing up as 61 as well for me so I thought it was basically identical. That’s unfortunate, I really like the idea of a cheaper V90, but if it’s as tall as every other crossover then yeah I am not really interested. No, I do not call any of the others you listed wagons.
Completely agree. It just makes things look cheap and chintzy. Plus it scratches like mad.
This is like the wagon-equivalent of a speakeasy. You have to know the location, secret knock and publicly say your testing out an SUV.
Don’t understand the point of a non-opening glass roof, either. Cool, extra solar gain and weight!
The glass roof is to appease the climate deniers. “No, we definitely aren’t experiencing more hail storms these days”.
That RAV4 would definitely be more cramped inside than this.
Well this is underwhelming. I say that as someone who was fired up for the idea of a Crown wagon (although not really a “wagon” I guess).
I can’t say this enough, but enough with the piano black trim. I guess this is better than the useless black trim piece on the doors of the Crown that assure I’d only consider buying one in black, but it still isn’t good.
The brown interior is a plus. Toyota seems to keep those to as few cars as possible, when brown is a superior color. Bonus of they offer the Crown’s excellent looking cloth.
I don’t get the limited functionality sunroof. I want a sunroof in my next car, I miss having one, but it is so I can open the roof. If it can’t do that…not sure why it is there.
I guess I’d have to drive one to see if the materials, comfort level is worth the scratch. Otherwise, I am wondering why I don’t spend my $45k on a RAV4 Prime that appears to be similar enough in size.
And when listing the price of a Toyota, be sure to add the pile of port installed junk that seemingly every Toyota is saddled with these days. $2k worth of floor mats, “door edge guards”, USB cables and wheel locks. All the stuff that used to collect dust in the dealer parts department is now apparently installed by Toyota on the sticker.
Never mind if you are shopping in the Southeast and get to swallow the extra $1k in BS Southeast Toyota adds to each car. Or my local dealer that claims to sell at MSRP but adds $1500 for an “appearance protection package” and window tints. Guess who I don’t want doing my window tint? Whoever the car dealer hires to do it.
Dimensions have this nearly identical to a V90, Toyota may not admit it, but this is a wagon.
Wagons are low key coming back as the in-between option. My parents’ Niro is about 2 inches taller than their Accord and barely has more ground clearance. They classify it as a crossover and even threw on a little cladding for good measure, but come on. That’s a wagon.
I’ve always looked at the niro as more of a hatchback. It’s very similarly sized to a golf I think, it might be bigger but they look very close to me.
The rear door is more upright than what you see on a modern hatchback, but it’s not like an old school longroof wagon where you can fold the rear seats and load up 8 foot long materials without going between the front seats. I don’t think those will ever make a comeback sadly.
Fair. I forgot there was a second gen Niro, the first gen is the only one I have ever examined up close.
Love the usrenaem.
V90: 195″L × 75″W × 58″T
Signia: 194″L × 74″W × 64″T (based on prototype)
Same footprint, but 6″ taller. It’s a much closer match to the Honda Prologue, Blazer EV, and (to a lesser degree) Polestar 3… are we calling those wagons, too?
(Edit: genuinely asking, not a rhetorical question)
Oh that’s my bad, I googled dimensions for the Crown Signia and didn’t notice it was listing the specs for the normal Crown at 61″, the V90 is showing up as 61 as well for me so I thought it was basically identical. That’s unfortunate, I really like the idea of a cheaper V90, but if it’s as tall as every other crossover then yeah I am not really interested. No, I do not call any of the others you listed wagons.
Completely agree. It just makes things look cheap and chintzy. Plus it scratches like mad.
This is like the wagon-equivalent of a speakeasy. You have to know the location, secret knock and publicly say your testing out an SUV.
Don’t understand the point of a non-opening glass roof, either. Cool, extra solar gain and weight!
The glass roof is to appease the climate deniers. “No, we definitely aren’t experiencing more hail storms these days”.
That RAV4 would definitely be more cramped inside than this.
I know it’s cliche to point out the huge selection of CUV/SUVs that Toyota sells, but I just wonder where this fits in. Like, when the Toyota salesperson sees someone come in and they’re deciding what car to show them?
If it’s a guy wearing Carhartt, show them the 4Runner
If it’s a guy wearing Patagonia, show them the Land Cruiser
If it’s a young person who looks like they don’t have a lot of money, show them the Corolla Cross
If it’s a nerd wearing a NASA shirt, show them the bZ4X
If it’s a family with a kid or two, show them the Highlander
If it’s a family with 3 kids, show them the Grand Highlander
If it’s a family with 3 kids and Dad is wearing Patagonia, show them the Sequoia
If you’re not sure, just default to showing them the RAV4
So, who are we showing the Crown Signia to? Relatively meager cargo space makes me feel like this isn’t a family-focused vehicle. I guess it’s leaning on style, so maybe couples who want something stylish, but they want to save a few bucks compared to a Lexus RX? Seems like a pretty small niche.
The Crown Signia is for couples that arrive wearing Banana Republic and brought their corgi along.
If they show up wearing personalized cufflinks, tell them the Lexus dealership is across the street.
We would be in the target audience for this. Recent empty nesters with an aging Highlander. But I don’t think it quite does it for us. A non-opening sunroof is just stupid and a dealbreaker. Interior is nice but I’d want/expect Avalon-level quietness on the road if you’re not going to make the drive exciting.
So, who are we showing the Crown Signia to?
DINKS who want something more refined than an Outback and don’t want to fuss with the reliability of a Euro wagon.
I know it’s cliche to point out the huge selection of CUV/SUVs that Toyota sells, but I just wonder where this fits in. Like, when the Toyota salesperson sees someone come in and they’re deciding what car to show them?
If it’s a guy wearing Carhartt, show them the 4Runner
If it’s a guy wearing Patagonia, show them the Land Cruiser
If it’s a young person who looks like they don’t have a lot of money, show them the Corolla Cross
If it’s a nerd wearing a NASA shirt, show them the bZ4X
If it’s a family with a kid or two, show them the Highlander
If it’s a family with 3 kids, show them the Grand Highlander
If it’s a family with 3 kids and Dad is wearing Patagonia, show them the Sequoia
If you’re not sure, just default to showing them the RAV4
So, who are we showing the Crown Signia to? Relatively meager cargo space makes me feel like this isn’t a family-focused vehicle. I guess it’s leaning on style, so maybe couples who want something stylish, but they want to save a few bucks compared to a Lexus RX? Seems like a pretty small niche.
The Crown Signia is for couples that arrive wearing Banana Republic and brought their corgi along.
If they show up wearing personalized cufflinks, tell them the Lexus dealership is across the street.
We would be in the target audience for this. Recent empty nesters with an aging Highlander. But I don’t think it quite does it for us. A non-opening sunroof is just stupid and a dealbreaker. Interior is nice but I’d want/expect Avalon-level quietness on the road if you’re not going to make the drive exciting.
So, who are we showing the Crown Signia to?
DINKS who want something more refined than an Outback and don’t want to fuss with the reliability of a Euro wagon.
The big miss here is that they are still using the upside down sombrero instead of the JDM Crown badges. WTF?!? Whoever in their marketing department made that decision needs fired, STAT!
Next we need at least a TRD trim that lowers and tightens up the suspension and adds a ground effect package. Then, we need the real deal – a GR variant with the real go fast bits added. We’ve already got a rather large engine, just throw a couple of turbos on it and make this a wagon with some panache and some actual curb appeal. Also, I want 17″ wheels on the GR because I’ll go through a bunch of tires and this size is almost affordable.
If they made a GR variant, I’d gladly give them every penny I work for to have it. Also, because I’m a crotchety old, grown-ass man, I’d get a hello kitty wrap on it – just because. That’s how you Toyota my friends.
I do not think I have ever agreed with a comment this wholeheartedly. Yes. A million times YES! I had an imported 90s Crown and loved the emblems on it! It still had the sombrero on the back, but crowns on the front and on each D pillar and it was so awesome. I loved those and feel like there has to be an easy retrofit for these.
A TRD would be fun, I don’t need a full on GR, a hot wagon is more than I need, but a warm wagon would be amazing. Or actually, a Prime version that is a PHEV with extra power and an all electric range would be great too! 240 hp isn’t bad, but up that to a 300 and let me get 50 miles without the engine and I am sold! A GR variant would be interesting, going toe to toe with Volvo R wagons or even aiming for an AMG E wagon, I see that being too far out of my price range though.
Actually, it doesn’t even need TRD or GR badges, there already is a 340hp crown sedan, just offer that powertrain here. Weird that they wouldn’t. I still want a Prime more than that though honestly.
Agree, I’m probably the target market for this (late 40’s empty nester) and would consider buying one. Always liked wagons and my current Toyota hybrid ownership experience has been stellar. A wagon that gets the same economy as my Camry with an upgraded and more lux interior? I’m in.
The big miss here is that they are still using the upside down sombrero instead of the JDM Crown badges. WTF?!? Whoever in their marketing department made that decision needs fired, STAT!
Next we need at least a TRD trim that lowers and tightens up the suspension and adds a ground effect package. Then, we need the real deal – a GR variant with the real go fast bits added. We’ve already got a rather large engine, just throw a couple of turbos on it and make this a wagon with some panache and some actual curb appeal. Also, I want 17″ wheels on the GR because I’ll go through a bunch of tires and this size is almost affordable.
If they made a GR variant, I’d gladly give them every penny I work for to have it. Also, because I’m a crotchety old, grown-ass man, I’d get a hello kitty wrap on it – just because. That’s how you Toyota my friends.
I do not think I have ever agreed with a comment this wholeheartedly. Yes. A million times YES! I had an imported 90s Crown and loved the emblems on it! It still had the sombrero on the back, but crowns on the front and on each D pillar and it was so awesome. I loved those and feel like there has to be an easy retrofit for these.
A TRD would be fun, I don’t need a full on GR, a hot wagon is more than I need, but a warm wagon would be amazing. Or actually, a Prime version that is a PHEV with extra power and an all electric range would be great too! 240 hp isn’t bad, but up that to a 300 and let me get 50 miles without the engine and I am sold! A GR variant would be interesting, going toe to toe with Volvo R wagons or even aiming for an AMG E wagon, I see that being too far out of my price range though.
Actually, it doesn’t even need TRD or GR badges, there already is a 340hp crown sedan, just offer that powertrain here. Weird that they wouldn’t. I still want a Prime more than that though honestly.
Agree, I’m probably the target market for this (late 40’s empty nester) and would consider buying one. Always liked wagons and my current Toyota hybrid ownership experience has been stellar. A wagon that gets the same economy as my Camry with an upgraded and more lux interior? I’m in.
It is certainly a much better looking vehicle than the Venza it is replacing, but the starting price is simply too high for what it is – a problem the regular Crown has as well. At least in my area, this won’t be a big seller unless they offer discounts to tempt people away from cheaper competitors.
I thought this as well until I sat in one.
The materials quality is simply better than most of Toyota’s (or other mainstream brands’) regular offerings.
It’s possible it will still be a slow seller if people don’t recognize the value, but a reliable 40 mpg crossover with Lexus-grade furnishings doesn’t seem out of place at $45-50K.
When my family was car shopping earlier this year to replace our minivan (which we decided to keep for a few more years), we spoke with the Toyota sales folks who expressed that while they thought the Crown sedan would be a big seller because AWD, it isn’t. They said the price has been a huge problem, and also said they doubt the “Crown SUV” Toyota had shown them would steal any sales from the RAV4 hybrid or Prime, but rather the opposite. I’m with you on Lexus quality at a lower price being a selling point, but I’ve only seen two Crown sedans in the wild, so it doesn’t seem compelling enough for those voting with their wallets.
I think the Crown sedan looks weird enough to turn people off before they even see the interior. This is an inoffensive looking CUV, if it can’t sell then something really is wrong with the price/value.
Yeah, I’m with you. I think the article is correct that existing Venza owners will probably love it, but the question now is if it will get non-Venza owners to love it too and convert them from their Outbacks, Pilots, CR-Vs, and Highlanders.
So much this. The random black inserts all over the sedan exterior manage to outdo the last gen Civic in tastelessness, no mean feat.
That is why my dad bought his in black
It is certainly a much better looking vehicle than the Venza it is replacing, but the starting price is simply too high for what it is – a problem the regular Crown has as well. At least in my area, this won’t be a big seller unless they offer discounts to tempt people away from cheaper competitors.
I thought this as well until I sat in one.
The materials quality is simply better than most of Toyota’s (or other mainstream brands’) regular offerings.
It’s possible it will still be a slow seller if people don’t recognize the value, but a reliable 40 mpg crossover with Lexus-grade furnishings doesn’t seem out of place at $45-50K.
When my family was car shopping earlier this year to replace our minivan (which we decided to keep for a few more years), we spoke with the Toyota sales folks who expressed that while they thought the Crown sedan would be a big seller because AWD, it isn’t. They said the price has been a huge problem, and also said they doubt the “Crown SUV” Toyota had shown them would steal any sales from the RAV4 hybrid or Prime, but rather the opposite. I’m with you on Lexus quality at a lower price being a selling point, but I’ve only seen two Crown sedans in the wild, so it doesn’t seem compelling enough for those voting with their wallets.
I think the Crown sedan looks weird enough to turn people off before they even see the interior. This is an inoffensive looking CUV, if it can’t sell then something really is wrong with the price/value.
Yeah, I’m with you. I think the article is correct that existing Venza owners will probably love it, but the question now is if it will get non-Venza owners to love it too and convert them from their Outbacks, Pilots, CR-Vs, and Highlanders.
So much this. The random black inserts all over the sedan exterior manage to outdo the last gen Civic in tastelessness, no mean feat.
That is why my dad bought his in black
(yells at cloud) To me, SUVs are like trucks and minivans; I find them useful but I really don’t want to daily an SUV, no matter how nice. I don’t like the sense of being up high, dragging a room behind me. I’m sure the Crown Signia is a fine vehicle that I’d totally borrow from a friend/relative.
Fortunately for you, this is a wagon!
(yells at cloud) To me, SUVs are like trucks and minivans; I find them useful but I really don’t want to daily an SUV, no matter how nice. I don’t like the sense of being up high, dragging a room behind me. I’m sure the Crown Signia is a fine vehicle that I’d totally borrow from a friend/relative.
Fortunately for you, this is a wagon!
My wife just got a Toyota Highlander Hybrid as a company car. The Crown Signia sounds very similar, just minus the foldable (useless) 3rd row in the Highlander.
However for both of these to be a “Crown” there isn’t much of a connecting visual feature between them.
My wife just got a Toyota Highlander Hybrid as a company car. The Crown Signia sounds very similar, just minus the foldable (useless) 3rd row in the Highlander.
However for both of these to be a “Crown” there isn’t much of a connecting visual feature between them.
“If you like a low driving position and have long legs, the Crown Signia isn’t the car for you.”
I was going to forward this review to my wife… until I read this. It almost looks like a real car.
“If you like a low driving position and have long legs, the Crown Signia isn’t the car for you.”
I was going to forward this review to my wife… until I read this. It almost looks like a real car.
I love the way the Signia looks and love them on paper…but man, the packaging is a real disappointment. These have less cargo space with the rear seats up than a RAV4 and they’re about as long as a Highlander. The wife and I were eager to look at one for her, but this is too small on the inside for family duty.
I remain perplexed by how manufacturers continue to somehow make cars that are bigger and heavier but smaller on the inside. This is probably a car best served as a daily for empty nesters who’ve gotten used to the form factor of an SUV. If you actually need space just get the Highlander…
I mean that’s pretty typical for a wagon vs a crossover. The cargo space here is comparable to a Volvo V90 which I feel like is more the class it fits in. The V90 is similarly about the same length as a Highlander, but much lower. I would much rather have this or the Volvo than a Highlander because I don’t want something that tall, I like lower cars and the Signia is 61″ tall vs the Highlanders 68. I like wagons and would pick a wagon over SUV/Crossover every time.
I mean I’d rather have a wagon too but I’m not going to be able to sell my wife on one, unfortunately
You say that, but then complain that a wagon has less space than a crossover haha. My point is that your initial comment was comparing apples to oranges as this is more of a wagon than the cars you were comparing it against.
Wagons always sacrifice cargo height over SUV’s. Dad’s old Colony Park could handle any length object, but was vertically limited. My current 2005 MDX is pretty well rounded in terms on capacity with good length and height. Minivans are truly the best overall for hauling.
I’d wait to see the cargo area in person. The way cargo is measured favors tall crossovers but they don’t often have it as usable as wagons do. I have a feeling that these have a huge trunk, especially since Alanis said she could roll around in it
As others have noted, listed cargo space and usable cargo space are different.
On a recent vacation our “large” rental vehicle was a Honda HR-V. On paper it has 24.4 cubic ft of cargo space with the seats up. My wife’s Accord that we took to the airport has 16.7. The Accord fit all our luggage in the trunk without incident, as the larger suitcases could lay flat. The HR-V was a complete failure that had them stack nearly to the ceiling and made the rearview mirror useless. We had to immediately reconfigure them to put smaller bags on the bottom so they wouldn’t slide off in a fast stop and land on a child.
It mostly reinforced that people by and large buy horrible vehicles with claims of “utility.”
Leave it to this commentariat to keep
me wagonpilled!
The problem with cargo volume numbers is that it doesn’t address how the cargo space is setup. My mk1 Legacy wagon had a ton of cargo space that was far more useful in the real world than its number on paper would imply as it was horizontal space. A lot of the S/CUVs have disappointing utility in terms of cargo space vs volume on paper because it’s more vertically oriented, which is harder to utilize (and to do so safely as anything stacked higher than the seats is a potential missile).
I love the way the Signia looks and love them on paper…but man, the packaging is a real disappointment. These have less cargo space with the rear seats up than a RAV4 and they’re about as long as a Highlander. The wife and I were eager to look at one for her, but this is too small on the inside for family duty.
I remain perplexed by how manufacturers continue to somehow make cars that are bigger and heavier but smaller on the inside. This is probably a car best served as a daily for empty nesters who’ve gotten used to the form factor of an SUV. If you actually need space just get the Highlander…
I mean that’s pretty typical for a wagon vs a crossover. The cargo space here is comparable to a Volvo V90 which I feel like is more the class it fits in. The V90 is similarly about the same length as a Highlander, but much lower. I would much rather have this or the Volvo than a Highlander because I don’t want something that tall, I like lower cars and the Signia is 61″ tall vs the Highlanders 68. I like wagons and would pick a wagon over SUV/Crossover every time.
I mean I’d rather have a wagon too but I’m not going to be able to sell my wife on one, unfortunately
You say that, but then complain that a wagon has less space than a crossover haha. My point is that your initial comment was comparing apples to oranges as this is more of a wagon than the cars you were comparing it against.
Wagons always sacrifice cargo height over SUV’s. Dad’s old Colony Park could handle any length object, but was vertically limited. My current 2005 MDX is pretty well rounded in terms on capacity with good length and height. Minivans are truly the best overall for hauling.
I’d wait to see the cargo area in person. The way cargo is measured favors tall crossovers but they don’t often have it as usable as wagons do. I have a feeling that these have a huge trunk, especially since Alanis said she could roll around in it
As others have noted, listed cargo space and usable cargo space are different.
On a recent vacation our “large” rental vehicle was a Honda HR-V. On paper it has 24.4 cubic ft of cargo space with the seats up. My wife’s Accord that we took to the airport has 16.7. The Accord fit all our luggage in the trunk without incident, as the larger suitcases could lay flat. The HR-V was a complete failure that had them stack nearly to the ceiling and made the rearview mirror useless. We had to immediately reconfigure them to put smaller bags on the bottom so they wouldn’t slide off in a fast stop and land on a child.
It mostly reinforced that people by and large buy horrible vehicles with claims of “utility.”
Leave it to this commentariat to keep
me wagonpilled!
The problem with cargo volume numbers is that it doesn’t address how the cargo space is setup. My mk1 Legacy wagon had a ton of cargo space that was far more useful in the real world than its number on paper would imply as it was horizontal space. A lot of the S/CUVs have disappointing utility in terms of cargo space vs volume on paper because it’s more vertically oriented, which is harder to utilize (and to do so safely as anything stacked higher than the seats is a potential missile).
My dad just bought a Crown sedan last week and the thing that really stood out was just how nice the materials are inside. Comparing to my Sienna (also a fancy Limited trim), there’s much softer leather, much less plastic, tighter panel gaps, and generally a more premium feel.
This SUV does away with the somewhat awkward styling of the sedan, and if people compare side by side with Rav4, Highlander, etc, I think they’ll be pretty impressed.
What year is the Sienna?
2020, so the last year of the previous generation.
I haven’t spent extensive time in the current generation vans.
I think this has a chance to pull a lot of people from the regular Highlander by providing everything a small family wants in 2024, without being quite so bulky, ungainly, etc. When the primary driver checks out the interior and realizes that it roughly costs the same as a Highlander…
My dad just bought a Crown sedan last week and the thing that really stood out was just how nice the materials are inside. Comparing to my Sienna (also a fancy Limited trim), there’s much softer leather, much less plastic, tighter panel gaps, and generally a more premium feel.
This SUV does away with the somewhat awkward styling of the sedan, and if people compare side by side with Rav4, Highlander, etc, I think they’ll be pretty impressed.
What year is the Sienna?
2020, so the last year of the previous generation.
I haven’t spent extensive time in the current generation vans.
I think this has a chance to pull a lot of people from the regular Highlander by providing everything a small family wants in 2024, without being quite so bulky, ungainly, etc. When the primary driver checks out the interior and realizes that it roughly costs the same as a Highlander…
I got a 2024 Prius as a rental and I see the same steering wheel controls, on the week I had the car, I never got used to know what I was pressing, too many options in a weird arrangement.
Volume and changing songs should always be on the back of the steering wheel; cruise control, phone calls and screen options at the front and that’s about it.
I hate almost any controls on the back of the steering wheel. Paddle shifters are the exception and hence the “almost”.
That being said, there should only be like 6 controls on the steering wheel (ignoring horn). Volume up, volume down, song/station backward, song/station forward, phone button (which should double as a hang-up button). Boom, that’s it. So actually just five.
Cruise control should be VW’s old system with the stalk; it was the best cruise control design that I’ve ever used and it didn’t result in 8 million buttons on the steering wheel. I don’t want lane assist or any of that shit, so I don’t need buttons for it on the steering wheel. Everything else I should be able to do through the console infotainment.
A 1st Gen Toyota Sequoia (2006 at least) had a Stalk Cruise control too.
Are you talking about VW’s stalk with the fiddly little switch on top for on/cancel/off? I currently have that system and had Toyota’s stalk on my old Camry. The VW system is a steaming pile of dog shit in comparison.
Yes. I never touched the damn on/cancel/off switch. Just tap the brakes to cancel and leave it on all the time. Tap the + for 1mph speed gain, hold it for a second for 5mph. It was fantastic.
Eww. Who wants to tap the brakes to cancel cruise control when every worthwhile system can do it by hand in a much smoother manner?
Clearly we are very different people.
When I say tapping the brakes, I don’t mean actually hard enough to engage them.
Volumeandchanging songsshould always be on the back of the steering wheel; cruise control,phone callsandscreen optionsat the front and that’s about it.FIFY.
The old Toyota cruise control dongle is best – I will die on this hill. Once you learn it you never need to look at it and it is fully intuitive by touch.
I got a 2024 Prius as a rental and I see the same steering wheel controls, on the week I had the car, I never got used to know what I was pressing, too many options in a weird arrangement.
Volume and changing songs should always be on the back of the steering wheel; cruise control, phone calls and screen options at the front and that’s about it.
I hate almost any controls on the back of the steering wheel. Paddle shifters are the exception and hence the “almost”.
That being said, there should only be like 6 controls on the steering wheel (ignoring horn). Volume up, volume down, song/station backward, song/station forward, phone button (which should double as a hang-up button). Boom, that’s it. So actually just five.
Cruise control should be VW’s old system with the stalk; it was the best cruise control design that I’ve ever used and it didn’t result in 8 million buttons on the steering wheel. I don’t want lane assist or any of that shit, so I don’t need buttons for it on the steering wheel. Everything else I should be able to do through the console infotainment.
A 1st Gen Toyota Sequoia (2006 at least) had a Stalk Cruise control too.
Are you talking about VW’s stalk with the fiddly little switch on top for on/cancel/off? I currently have that system and had Toyota’s stalk on my old Camry. The VW system is a steaming pile of dog shit in comparison.
Yes. I never touched the damn on/cancel/off switch. Just tap the brakes to cancel and leave it on all the time. Tap the + for 1mph speed gain, hold it for a second for 5mph. It was fantastic.
Eww. Who wants to tap the brakes to cancel cruise control when every worthwhile system can do it by hand in a much smoother manner?
Clearly we are very different people.
When I say tapping the brakes, I don’t mean actually hard enough to engage them.
Volumeandchanging songsshould always be on the back of the steering wheel; cruise control,phone callsandscreen optionsat the front and that’s about it.FIFY.
The old Toyota cruise control dongle is best – I will die on this hill. Once you learn it you never need to look at it and it is fully intuitive by touch.
The shifter looks like an uncooked cow tongue.
That is all.
I had to scroll up and look. You’re not wrong.
Holy crap your right!
Moo.
I won’t be unseeing that anytime soon.
The shifter looks like an uncooked cow tongue.
That is all.
I had to scroll up and look. You’re not wrong.
Holy crap your right!
Moo.
I won’t be unseeing that anytime soon.
Glad to know I can boast about spending 50K to help me lightly transition to electrification
Glad to know I can boast about spending 50K to help me lightly transition to electrification